Sending out instructions to your deal team at 1am after memorial day isn't good leadership

Why is this acceptable?

Radio silence all day(which is good) then at 1am start firing off emails on deliverables to junior staff.

In what organization outside banking would this be acceptable?  Am I expected to be up at 1am ready to receive these messages? Why not send in the morning like a normal human being?   I'm convinced bankers are some of the worst leaders in corporate America.

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I've been in a few industries - all of which this behavior is 100% fine. 

I would encourage you to reframe your position. You are asking someone to adjust their behavior to your preference. This isn't about you.

They are sending an email because it crossed their mind + they are available to take it off their plate and move it forward. It'll be in your inbox when you are ready to move it forward. Why are you so offended that they left you a note that you can read later? I expect if you were to have the conversation, you would quickly find they don't expect you to be up at 1am to receive this message they just wanted to get it off their plate and move it forward.

 

Just had my trade dispute rejected by Schwab for a loss of 35k. This single issue alone should be a gigantic red flag to anyone who trades on their platform. If they have a system error, and you do not video record your trading (they actually said this), they will not honour their fuck up. Switching everything away from them. Fuck this company.
 

I think you hit the nail on the head here. One of the biggest issues I have found with junior staff is their unwillingness to ask a follow up question around deliverable timelines and they just assume everything is due immediately. Could the individual sending out the email have said "tomorrow could you start on..." or something to that effect, sure, but it also doesn't sound like it said "I need this in the morning" either. My MD will send me late night emails all the time but he'll typically add "in the morning could you.." and I try to do the same for those I assign work to but nobody is perfect and sometimes expressing timelines is an afterthought.

 

I think you hit the nail on the head here. One of the biggest issues I have found with junior staff is their unwillingness to ask a follow up question around deliverable timelines and they just assume everything is due immediately. Could the individual sending out the email have said "tomorrow could you start on..." or something to that effect, sure, but it also doesn't sound like it said "I need this in the morning" either. My MD will send me late night emails all the time but he'll typically add "in the morning could you.." and I try to do the same for those I assign work to but nobody is perfect and sometimes expressing timelines is an afterthought.

this is why this is BAD leadership.

BRB its the JUNIOR's job to have to reply and CLARIFY what they timeline is

Or....I know this is pretty ground breaking to some...the senior banker could give CLEAR and understandable guidance on deadlines/tasks/and deliverables (and with foresight rather than randomly at 1AM) since he is LEADING the process and the junior team. If the 22 year old ANALYST has to fish it out of him, then frankly that's a poor leader and communicator.

 
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Have been in this situation a few times with a few MDs that take a few hours off in the evening then get around to comments around 12/1am. Often times they'll specify "In the morning can you..." and if they don't (as Aso3 said, timeline can be an afterthought sometimes), I'll just reply "Thanks, We'll work through this and get you a draft late morning/early afternoon. Let us know of any issues with this timeline" and that let's them know you have no intention on working on it that night but also gives them the chance to tell you it's urgent. I'm just a stupid first year but have learned over communication is critical to maintaining some semblance of a life during WFH.

 
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