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Suck it up and go bang Boston College girls on the weekend?
oh wow... talk about not appreciating what you have asshole.
firstworldproblems[DOUBLE POST]
What will they think? Exactly as you phrased it:
No comment on the technical degree - but most banks would prefer a BA in Poetry from HYP over a BSc in Astrophysics from a state school.
I also definitely wouldn't do this...
"Are you really going to tell Wall St bankers in your interviews that you transferred so that you could be around less elitist people and enjoy yourself more? Imagine what message that's going to send them. Stay."
^^ Agreed
Definitely don't
There's worse things in the world than graduating from a lower end ivy league school.
true, but why would you go through the trouble of making all new friends and potentially getting lower grades while you adjusted to the new school? at my school, it seemed like transfers had a hard time breaking into the social scene, unless they played a sport (i went to a NESCAC though, so my school was smaller) - but a better social life on campus seems like half of your reason for transferring
also think about how you will explain this during job interviewers. even assuming the schools were equal, they're going to ask why you made the switch
And labelling the people who go to those schools as elitist and ugly doesn't make you an asshole? You sound worse than all the "elitists" that you are trying to get away from.
Step foot on campus at the schools he described and try to find more than one girl that you're attracted to. Good Luck
I never understood this one. Even if the girls are indeed more attractive, wouldn't the guys likely be more attractive as well? You'd presumably have more competition and the net result would be the same.
Are you familiar with Brown? Most of the guys are fucking hipsters who look like shit, while the girls are generally very attractive. Brown undoubtedly has the best looking girls of any ivy league campus
Geez, lots of hate. I have a very specific reason why I want to transfer but I'm not going to publish it here.
There are more important things in this world than prestige, although WSO loves prestige like crack. Anyone who would rather hire a Harvard kid over a Columbia kid or a Yale kid over a Brown kid purely as a function of where they graduated is someone I would not want to work for. It is not like I would transfer to a random state school.
Can you post pics of the lower caliber elite college women? I have a lot of SBs to give
go!
But at least your still transferring into a target.. Aren't all Ivies targets?
boston college/qpac girls. there should be enough.. and i have friends who enjoy themselves plenty in those schools.
What kind of advice were you expecting from this forum? Most here would gladly sacrifice current happiness for potential future increased happiness. So I don't really understand how you made it to be in the position your in. You obviously worked your ass off in high school, are you having a realization or something?
Do it. You need to be enjoying this time.
Dude. Don't transfer. Girls at lower Ivies are fugly as shit and they're no better than HYP girls. Besides, transferring is such a hassle that it isn't worth it. You gotta make new friends, get used to new campus, start with new GPA at new school, the job opportunities may be worse at lower Ivy compared to your school, etc. If you transfer into a lower Ivy with the reasons you cited, you will be sorely disappointed.
If you are looking for a good time with a ton of hot girls, you should forget Ivies and consider U Texas, Indiana, USC, or UNC. Or, you can go for master's program at these more 'fun' schools after you finish your BA.
"I want to go to a school where the people are less elitist, the girls are prettier, I can enjoy myself"
dude..there is always time to "enjoy myself"....just grab some lotion and head into the bathroom
FYI, there are successful people who transferred out of top targets into random state schools for personal reasons. Dick Chenny transferred out of Yale to University of Nebraska because he hated Yale and wanted to be back to his home state. Mitt Romney transferred out of Stanford to some small college to be with his girlfriend.
If you really have to transfer, then do it. But, just don't do it for the reasons you cited.
Don't forget The Oracle.
This is so stupid, it's not even worth entertaining as a question. OK. STAY at your Ivy. People are willing to jump thru all kinds of hoops to be at an Ivy and you want to go to a "lesser" one? Get real. Not only would you be jeopardizing your future in the short term, in the long term, you lose the valuable alumni base, recruiting ops, resume value, ease with getting into business school down the line, not to mention other intangible benefits such as being able to have the leg up in jobs years down the road.
Come on man. Be serious. Stay where you are!
Of course it's not worth entertaining to you if you have such a close-minded way of looking at life.
All the things you mentioned are problems that are easily fixable and may not even be the case if you are transferring to an Ivy League.
The suggestion that he should stay because others are dying to get in is ridiculous as well. Yes, let's stay somewhere that we are miserable because others want it so bad. Makes a lot of sense. Half the people who are 'dying' to get into HYP don't know jack about what they're probably about to get themselves into. They are obsessed with the name and the prestige. That is all.
Now that we have eliminated all the 'bad' reasons to leave, let's get on to the good reasons.
1) You are unhappy.
You only go to college once. My college experience (non-target mind you) was great and I would never take it back. Actually, my time at college was the epitome of happiness to me. I grew immensely in college because I enjoyed it so much. When you enjoy things, you take risks that you never would. When you are miserable, you stay stuck in a routine and you never improve.
2) Contrary to popular belief, anything is possible.
The obsession on WSO that you have to goto HYP to have any access to high end jobs is sickening. A lot of people are so obsessed with the fact that they went to Harvard that they totally forget how important their character and personality is when it comes to your career. Of course it is harder to break into IB/PE if you didn't go to a target. Is it impossible? Not at all. You'd be surprised how many people I have met from my school that landed high end careers by simply networking and putting their feet to the pavement. It may not be as easy as sending your resume out after Senior year, as you would at HYP, but the challenge of finding a career is a valuable experience that I would never give back.
Are you joking me? If you are unhappy transfer. Hasn't anyone told you to do what YOU want and ignore others who want to build your life for you? Good Will Hunting comes to mind. In the end, all that matters is your happiness. Not what others 'perceive' as their happiness.
Of course it's not worth entertaining to you if you have such a close-minded way of looking at life.
All the things you mentioned are problems that are easily fixable and may not even be the case if you are transferring to an Ivy League.
The suggestion that he should stay because others are dying to get in is ridiculous as well. Yes, let's stay somewhere that we are miserable because others want it so bad. Makes a lot of sense. Half the people who are 'dying' to get into HYP don't know jack about what they're probably about to get themselves into. They are obsessed with the name and the prestige. That is all.
Now that we have eliminated all the 'bad' reasons to leave, let's get on to the good reasons.
1) You are unhappy.
You only go to college once. My college experience (non-target mind you) was great and I would never take it back. Actually, my time at college was the epitome of happiness to me. I grew immensely in college because I enjoyed it so much. When you enjoy things, you take risks that you never would. When you are miserable, you stay stuck in a routine and you never improve.
2) Contrary to popular belief, anything is possible.
The obsession on WSO that you have to goto HYP to have any access to high end jobs is sickening. A lot of people are so obsessed with the fact that they went to Harvard that they totally forget how important their character and personality is when it comes to your career. Of course it is harder to break into IB/PE if you didn't go to a target. Is it impossible? Not at all. You'd be surprised how many people I have met from my school that landed high end careers by simply networking and putting their feet to the pavement. It may not be as easy as sending your resume out after Senior year, as you would at HYP, but the challenge of finding a career is a valuable experience that I would never give back.
Are you joking me? If you are unhappy transfer. Hasn't anyone told you to do what YOU want and ignore others who want to build your life for you? Good Will Hunting comes to mind. In the end, all that matters is your happiness. Not what others 'perceive' as their happiness.[/quoI
I understand what you're saying and no, I wouldn't trade my nontarget fun experience in undergrad either, even though I'm sure many on this board would flame me...No, u don't have to go to a HYP to be successful in life. But to think that career doesn't matter is ridiculous. Yes, you can't replace the college experience. I wouldn't trade mine either. In fact, I would encourage him to transfer to a different Ivy if he thinks it will make him happier and socially more sane because I know what it's like to feel unhappy socially and question if I should transfer. Also, I'm well aware that the focus on this board that you have to go to an Ivy to be successful/break into IB etc. is the one and only way. I am sickened by it as well and even more so I am shocked at how much a myth can be misconstrued as fact. But you have to remember that many on this board (my belief) are on the outside looking in. You can't believe the myth that you must go to HYP to break in so to speak when that myth is perpetuated by a bunch of 20-22 year olds who did one internship or haven't even so much as interned at all on the Street and they've read a few books which glorify a few guys who went to Ivys and broke in that way. I subscribed to the myth until I got my first internship and then began to see things clearly. It's just a myth, but one that is created by people who don't know what they're talking about. Truth is, banking/S&T takes people from a variety of backgrounds and schools. Also, nontargets have visits to NY and contacts with Wall Street banks as well (at least mine does and I know of others who do as well). Personally, I think being at a school where you're happy is a more complete experience. I met the girl that I recently ran into who I think is marriage material there. I met a great finance professor who is now at the CFA Institute and taught me a Finance course in undergrad. I grew a lot socially there and also got a virtually free education. So yes, I understand what you mean. I just was concerned about OCI. I mean, why work harder to score an interview if you don't have to. But then, I've slept on this and I think that frankly, if he's unhappy socially, which I can relate to, he should transfer.
It is moving from one ivy to another. Not going to Chico State. You all need to take a chill pill, even if you think Harvard is that awesome. For your information, kids do not walk on water at Harvard.
so you go to Harvard? I can't see why you want to transfer to a low Ivy then.
Harvard is in Boston, which is a pretty fun town for college kids. If you are fed up with fugly chicks at Harvard, just go party at Boston bars or go to parties at BC or Boston University.
Also - you mention you want to transfer to low Ivy. That means cornell, brown, or Dartmouth. Dude, are you fucking kidding? For example, Cornell or Dartmouth are in the middle of nowhere and I can guarantee you that you will have LESS fun at those schools compared to Boston/ Harvard.
Seriously dude, man the fuck up and suck it up. If you aren't happy at Harvard, chances are you won't be happy at Cornell or Dartmouth either since girls and social life at these schools are in fact no better than what you will find at Harvard.
I could maybe understand someone who wants to transfer to a insanely fun school like UNC or U Texas with specific intent of banging hotties left and right, but transfer to Cornell or Dartmouth out of Harvard for better social life? LOL, just lol.
Why do you think Harvard is elitist? Top colleges are not exactly bastions of the WASP elite anymore. Probably half your classmates are on substantial financial aid.
And, Sexy_Like_Enrique has it right about the girls- there are a few colleges in the country where the girls are noticeably better looking than average. None of those are ivies.
But, nobody is saying you have to stay on campus at Harvard. If you don't like it, get on the T and head into Boston or wherever. You have this option now- would you really want to go to Dartmouth or Cornell where the college IS the town?
I would say transfer if you were really unhappy, but how hard have you tried to make it work? The issues you listed will be present at almost any top college.
Thanks for responses. My reason is not just about "elitism"... it really is personal about me "being happier", but I cannot get into it on this public forum.
I do have a summer analyst offer from GS/MS/JPM. So I think if I do well I can get a return offer for another summer.
Oh congrats! I would look into the transferability of credits from your current college to the other one. But yes, if you're unhappy due to environment, check into transferring.
If I were you, I would post my issue to a WSO forum (without disclosing the entirety of the concern, of course!) and get frustrated when others try to give you a rational response.
But that's just me.
You'll regret it for the rest of your life.
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