Transferring: West Point --> What's Next

I was accepted to Cornell and Dartmouth as a transfer student from my current school - West Point. I am reaching out to gain insight from the community about either (or both) schools as I navigate this difficult decision.

It is a hard decision on whether or not I will accept one and leave the academy. I am still unsure, but want to assess all my options in depth and get a clear sense about what each path might look like. 

I am coming from West Point, transferring in as a Junior (I understand there also may be an issue for IB recruiting, but for now, I'm focused more on finding my better fit). Planning to major in econ. I don't come from a finance family-background or nepo family at all, I received full aid to both. I'd say I'm pretty social. Always driven, positive, and consistent.

I am most valuing which could better help me develop, learn, and give me the resources to earn a great IB position. If I leave, I'd be very interested in finance, particularly IB. I'm curious to learn about the IB pipeline, alumni support, general campus culture and "finance" campus culture, and anything else anyone could offer. 

I am incredibly blessed to be in the position to make this incredibly difficult choice, and would appreciate any and all raw/authentic insight!

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's what you need to know about Cornell and Dartmouth for your situation:

Cornell (Dyson)

  1. IB Pipeline & Placement:

    • Cornell is a target school for IB, with strong placement across all its colleges, including Dyson, Engineering, CAS, and ILR.
    • Dyson, in particular, is highly regarded for finance and has a solid reputation for placing students into top IB roles. However, other majors at Cornell also perform well in IB recruiting.
    • Cornell's large size (~3,500 undergrads per class) means you'll be competing with a diverse pool of students, but the opportunities are abundant.
  2. Alumni Network:

    • Cornell has a strong alumni network, but it is not as tight-knit as Dartmouth's. However, Dyson alumni are well-connected, with some holding senior positions at top firms like GS and JPM.
  3. Campus Culture:

    • Cornell offers a more diverse and larger campus environment. While it may not have the same close-knit feel as Dartmouth, it provides a wide range of extracurriculars and opportunities to connect with peers.
  4. Finance Culture:

    • The finance culture at Cornell is competitive, with many students aiming for IB and other finance roles. You'll find plenty of resources, clubs, and networking opportunities to prepare for a career in finance.

Dartmouth

  1. IB Pipeline & Placement:

    • Dartmouth is also a target school for IB, with excellent placement into top firms. It has a particularly strong reputation for buy-side opportunities, with alumni frequently landing roles at firms like Bridgewater and Blackstone.
    • The D-Plan (quarter system) allows for unique internship opportunities during the school year, which can give you an edge in gaining experience.
  2. Alumni Network:

    • Dartmouth's alumni network is considered one of the strongest and most loyal in the Ivy League. Alumni are known to be highly supportive, which can be a significant advantage for networking and job placement.
  3. Campus Culture:

    • Dartmouth is known for its tight-knit, fun, and supportive community. Students often report a more enjoyable and fulfilling undergraduate experience compared to larger schools like Cornell.
    • The smaller size fosters a sense of camaraderie, which extends into the alumni network.
  4. Finance Culture:

    • The finance culture at Dartmouth is robust but less cutthroat compared to larger schools. With fewer students pursuing IB, competition may feel less intense, and the alumni network plays a significant role in helping students secure top positions.

Key Considerations for You:

  • Alumni Support: If you value a strong, loyal alumni network, Dartmouth might be the better fit. However, Cornell's alumni network is still strong, especially within Dyson.
  • Campus Fit: Dartmouth offers a smaller, more intimate community, while Cornell provides a larger, more diverse environment. Your social and personal preferences will play a big role here.
  • IB Recruiting as a Transfer: Both schools are target schools, but transferring as a junior might present challenges for IB recruiting. Dartmouth's D-Plan could help you gain internships during the school year, while Cornell's larger size might offer more on-campus recruiting opportunities.

Final Thoughts:

Both schools are excellent choices for your goals in finance and IB. If you prioritize a close-knit community and alumni support, Dartmouth might be the better fit. If you prefer a larger, more diverse environment with strong placement across various programs, Cornell could be the way to go. Either way, your drive and consistency will be key to making the most of the opportunities at either school.

Sources: Cornell Dyson vs. Dartmouth for Undergrad, The Comprehensive List of Transfer Friendly Schools For Investment Banking, Just how good is Dartmouth?, Cornell vs Michigan vs Dartmouth school choices, Duke v. Cornell (Dyson) v. Dartmouth

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I went to West Point, so I'll offer up my two cents. Since you're transferring in as a junior, you've already missed the boat on IB recruiting. All the reputable shops recruit during the spring of your sophomore year (over a year out from the summer internship, which takes place the summer between your junior and senior year). Some middle market shops recruit during the fall of junior year, but all the good shops will have already wrapped up their recruiting.

If your main goal is to break into IB, you could tack on another undergrad year (i.e. double major or stack some extra credits so you can partake in spring recruiting next year).

If you want my honest advice though, I'd encourage you to stick it out - do your 5 years, then go to a top b-school and enter IB as an associate. You've already put up with the worst two years of your military career; there's still some bullshit you have to endure as a cow and firstie but it's exponentially better. Life as an officer is good, and the veteran network is an unbeatable resource you'll be able to leverage throughout your business career. A West Point degree carries a lot of weight in the business world, and life in general really. It's held in high regard by everyone - from elitist finance folk to blue collar workers out in the sticks.

TLDR; cancel that resignation packet and get your ass to your summer assignment ha

...Beat Navy  

 

sounds like really supporting alumni. thinking about transfering from ivy to west point atp

 

stick it out.  I was SO SO SO close to transferring  I hated plebe and yuk year so much (I literally had a crying breakdown in front of friends on christmas break then I was so depressed to go back to school).  Im so glad I graduated years later.  I loved the last year at west point (firstie year), and you are almost there!

my time in the army was a lot of fun and really good for me.  its been a huge foundation in my life.  Im in banking now and corporate jobs in general are sort of souless/pointless, but I can always lean back on my service and it makes me "feel better" if that makes sense.  Like I actually did something in my life that mattered at least?  

Im glad im not in the army anymore, but Im so glad I did it if that makes sense.  it really made me a better person/husband/dad/investment banker/person.

 

I was enlisted and then went to HYPSM. My 2 cents is that you should stay at West Point, do your time, then transition to IB/MBB via MBA @ an M7

Unless your mental health is in the gutter, in which case I'd run Dartmouth + roll back to sophomore status for recruiting.

 

I joined the military later in life at age 29 through OCS and wish I joined earlier. Went into IB after MBA

Wall Street isn't going anywhere. That option will always be around. Is there a reason why you're getting cold feet on the military? You don't need to do a full 20 years. Nothing wrong with doing your time and then moving on. Where else can you get paid to shoot guns and work out?

How I passed all the CFA Program exams: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUdnYkojtk&t=37s
 

Dartmouth can be tough to break into as a Junior as most people have pretty structured friend groups by the end of Sophomore Summer. If you do choose to attend, definitely try to rush as a Junior even though it is difficult. I absolutely love Dartmouth but it's pretty socially exclusive so you should def know that going in.

 

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