Treatment of Long Term Deferred Revenue in Tech/SaaS

I work in a tech coverage group for context. I’ve noticed that we usually calculate cash EBITDA as EBITDA + ST DR. We also exclude LT DR revenue in NWC targets. 
 

I’m not sure I understand this distinction. I’ve been told that LT DR is thought of as debt, but other than it being a LT liability I’m not sure I see the comparison. Also, if you’re trying to get to true cash EBITDA to get closer to cash flow why wouldn’t you add all of DR? Why is LT DR not added?

 
Most Helpful

I think these are 2 different things. 
 

For EBITDA, SaaS is often paid annually in advance, so the ST deferred represents cash received for anything in the next 12 months of contract length / revenue recognition. So lenders are recognizing that you have already received cash, and just haven’t recognized the revenue as it’ll be recognized within the next 12 months. So they give you credit for that, cuz nothing needs to be done to recognize revenue and EBITDA, other than time passing. 
 

For working capital, ST deferred is treated as ordinary course working capital, because it’s just how the SaaS business model works and should be predictable. LT deferred is often treated as a debt-like deduction to purchase price. This is because it’s sort of unfair to be collecting cash for contracts 2-5+ years down the line and having that cash as an addition to purchase price. Because then the buyer is not getting any benefit from those contracts down the line and has to continue to service the customer. So treating it like debt just nets out the cash you are adding to purchase price. 
 

and LT is not part of cash EBITDA cuz it’s not an annual number. You shouldn’t be getting annual EBITDA credit for the full value of 2-5+ year deals. 

 

Fuga repudiandae est a non molestias et. Temporibus impedit hic aspernatur eos ducimus dignissimos est. Voluptatem et sint officiis facere.

Voluptatem aut iusto fugiat suscipit eum. Voluptatem exercitationem ipsa quia omnis cumque. Animi ullam in qui ut rerum maiores. Sed voluptas possimus voluptates quia inventore necessitatibus voluptatem.

Quo nihil est sed. Nulla velit provident doloremque repudiandae cumque quaerat. Fuga laboriosam tempore ipsum ea possimus. Atque commodi est consectetur consequatur accusamus. Tempore nihil est molestiae facere quis commodi. Neque occaecati mollitia qui ex quae quae. Eum voluptas modi et quis ut fugiat sunt. Mollitia non sequi blanditiis aut delectus tenetur aut.

Career Advancement Opportunities

May 2024 Investment Banking

  • Jefferies & Company 02 99.4%
  • Goldman Sachs 19 98.8%
  • Harris Williams & Co. New 98.3%
  • Lazard Freres 02 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 04 97.1%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

May 2024 Investment Banking

  • Harris Williams & Co. 18 99.4%
  • JPMorgan Chase 10 98.8%
  • Lazard Freres 05 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 07 97.7%
  • William Blair 03 97.1%

Professional Growth Opportunities

May 2024 Investment Banking

  • Lazard Freres 01 99.4%
  • Jefferies & Company 02 98.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 17 98.3%
  • Moelis & Company 07 97.7%
  • JPMorgan Chase 05 97.1%

Total Avg Compensation

May 2024 Investment Banking

  • Director/MD (5) $648
  • Vice President (19) $385
  • Associates (87) $260
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (14) $181
  • Intern/Summer Associate (33) $170
  • 2nd Year Analyst (67) $168
  • 1st Year Analyst (205) $159
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (146) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
99.0
3
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
4
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
5
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
6
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
7
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
8
kanon's picture
kanon
98.9
9
Kenny_Powers_CFA's picture
Kenny_Powers_CFA
98.8
10
numi's picture
numi
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”