Weird Majors->IB ?
I’ve seen many people(although certainly not the majority) that go to a prestigious school and major in something like History or something else unrelated to business and then they end up at GS or something like that. Does anyone know why this happens and how it’s even possible? Why are these schools interested in someone like that? and if there’s anyone who sees this who’s worked with someone who had that pathway, did they perform as good as people who majored in something business related?
The people you’re talking about go to schools like Harvard, Yale, Princeton etc… top 1% of people. The people who go to these schools are ultra brilliant and/or rich that it doesn’t really matter what they study, elite firms already know they’re more than capable to work in IB or any finance job. Actually they can work in any field, not just finance, that’s why some of them pick a broad/ “weird” major. So when you’re scrolling on LinkedIn, from time to time you’ll see the history major from Yale with no finance club involvement and no prior work experiences related to finance pick up a JPM IB internship for junior summer randomly. Recruiting out of these types of schools is insanely easy. If you’re a non traditional major, with no experiences/ club involvement at a non ivy school however, let’s just say that shit won’t fly lmao.
Yeah I learned this early on. They got the hall pass and can play it accordingly. Pretty much they can work for whichever top employer they want and they know it lol.
Applies to tiers below as well. Have seen many from low targets and semis (including me) at top banks with unrelated majors. Granted these are usually in STEM but still completely separate from business/finance.
The core nature of the job, at least at junior level, can be taught to anyone with a decent work ethic. I don’t think banks really are sticklers for majors, but I suppose the idea that they can overlook 0 experience might solely apply to HYP (but on the contrary, have heard that it’s not always a guarantee for a top/good spot from these schools, anecdotally from some friends there)
does the same thing apply for UK? I'm in a similar position here doing a major not related to finance but wanting to break in.
I go LSE but its def not the same level as the ivy's in US and not on the level of Oxbridge.
No offense mate but youre completely misguided? LSE is a HYPSM-equivalent institution in the UK (which in the UK is the G5). By this I don’t mean that LSE == HYPSM, but that the equivalent top 5 institutions in the UK are the G5, and is LSE is one of those 5. Also LSE is like Wharton so there’s essentially no better place to do a non-finance degree and break into IB from, as LSE reigns supreme, especially in EBs (up to 1/3 of some EB classes can be from LSE).
ay thats great news to me, I guess ive been mixing up general prestige with specific banking prestige. just got to get the SA offer now
I did Philosophy at LSE. Trust me, you're good.
no way what year
I disagree with the comments above. You don’t have to be “rich or powerful” that’s bs. Lots of ordinary but very smart ppl at targets make it all the time.
When they “don’t have have prior clubs or experience” that’s because they remove those once they make it. This is common knowledge?
also recruiting isn’t ever “insanely easy” from these schools? Have you even tried recruiting from one of those schools?
other commenters are full of crap and likely are still in high school
When the hell did I ever say powerful lmao? I never said you HAD to be rich either, all I said was that kids at Ivys are already extremely smart, and/or wealthy. And it’s true that being wealthy gives them a leg up in recruiting, especially if one of their parents were in finance (is the case a lot of the time). And you’re completely wrong, for the most part, sophomores who land an IB internship do not remove those experiences when they “make it”.
I have a first hand account since one of my close friends was a Public Policy major at a HYSPW, and had policy internships till he recruited for IB and landed a BB. He also wasn’t involved in any major finance orgs (I.e investment funds, consulting clubs) in his school. There are literally dozens of kids like him. For the record I went to a state school that was actually ranked decently high, and I still had to major in finance, be in one of the major investment funds on campus, and network hard to break in. I know what I’m talking about here.
not reading all that that but Congrats on UBS!
The history major with hobbies is typically more enjoyable to work with. Sure, the first 6 months are typically harder as you have to teach them literally everything but they are typically 1) very humble, 2) hard working, 3) can actually think, speak and write articulately, 4) aren’t hardos
This job honestly isn’t hard and if you go to HYPSM or another school of that caliber, you can 100% exceed in banking if you’re not a total moran. Yes, the other 1st years will think you’re dumb and the second year hardo is annoyed they have to set up your keyboard shortcuts to align logos quickly, but that’s more of a reflection of them then you.
I was a pretty terrible 1st year analyst but always had a positive attitude, eager to learn, and hard working and once it clicked I became incredibly good and I became exponentially better once the job transitioned from pure technical output (which I’m still not the best at) to incorporating more speaking roles & client management.
Apologies in advance for the long post, this is a topic I have many thoughts about…
When you are in college, what you decide to major in feels like the biggest decision of your life. Professors tell you finance major = job in finance, history major = career as a historian / academia with 0 other options, etc. In the real world, however, it turns out nobody really cares what you majored in as long as you have a GPA that clears the HR hurdle. What is much more important is how strategic and personalized you are in your networking outreach, how you present yourself in coffee chats and interviews, and showing that you are humble, smart enough, curious enough and easy enough to get along with.
I was a liberal arts major with a focus in a very niche time period / geography and had no issue lining up multiple freshman / sophomore summer finance internships and ultimately a junior summer IB internship into a full time role. Over my freshman Xmas break I took a 3 statement modeling and accounting course, one of those you pay like $400 for, there’s a bunch of different options. That gave me the basics to pass technical interviews, but honestly, technicals are a check the box in the process and people care way more about you being an interesting person, humble, eager to learn, fun to be around etc. it took 120+ networking calls, 2 in semester part-time internships to demonstrate I was interested in finance and more interviews than I can count, but all that is par for the course these days no matter what you major in given how competitive the environment is. I’ve rarely felt finance majors know more than me because I’ve had the curiosity to go learn on my own and paid my own money for various online courses and spent much more time than I really needed to reading about random finance stuff (shoutout Parri Passu and restructuring instagram accounts).
Now that I’ve been working a couple of years, I’ve seen both sides of the coin. Finance majors who are great at their jobs and easy to work with, but also finance majors who are actually mentally disabled and lack any sense of critical thinking capability or ability to act independently but think they are geniuses because they learned how deferred tax liabilities work in college. Have also seen liberal arts majors who are great at their jobs, able to learn and adapt quickly, great to work with etc. but, have also seen liberal arts majors who just can’t for the life of them figure out how to build a simple model or do basic math. Basically, what I’m trying to say is that It’s impossible to generalize which is better. This job isn’t very hard (except for the people in the job who make the experience miserable) and there is more to life than work. Choose to major in what is most interesting and fulfilling to you, and what hopefully sets the foundation for a lifetime of learning and making you an interesting person who can contribute to conversations and society.
I have a bias toward liberal arts majors because I was one, and I think the ability to think critically, write eloquently, and be curious about niche subjects tends to lead to success in finance. I try to take every networking call I’m able to from liberal arts majors who reach out. However, majoring in finance definitely teaches you what you need to know technically and checks the box off that you’re interested in the field. It also tends to be an easier major that can allow you to have free time and actually develop a personality outside of what you’re studying. There is no real right answer. Many paths lead to the same door.
Major in what is the most interesting to you and will allow you to have a 3.90+ GPA while still enjoying your life. It’s not as important as you think it is nor is life as rigid as you think it is. All the technical knowledge you need is easily accessible online for minimal cost, regardless of major. What matters most is how you position your story and leverage your background to get people on the phone and get them to like you enough to back you when it comes down to it.
isn't more than 95% of this industry just making PowerPoints with regurgitated data?
It’s pretty common even from my semi target to break into BB/EB as a non business major.
I think banks acknowledge that everything needed for interviews and success on the job can be taught relatively quickly, and majors are somewhat irrelevant in the grand scheme.
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