Why are people so unorganized and make us stay up late ?!
Been noticing this in my group and it’s so annoying.
Its 1:00am, I finish my work, submit for comments, and instead of taking 2 minutes to review my work and say yes or needs more work, my higher ups decide to slap me with the old
“I’ll look at this later tonight and if it’s good then we can send out”
So now I’m stuck, without any work, sitting down fighting to stay awake for several hours at 1:00, 2:00, 3:00, 4:00 am just to eventually hear:
“Looks good we can send out”
Like couldn’t they have just looked at it quickly and give me the thumbs up?
Now I pulled an all nighter, for no reason, doing no work, just waiting for my higher ups to revert back to me.
Just because you have to stay up late doesn’t mean I have to. There’s times where I’m staffed out my ass and pulling all nighters every night and they’re sleeping and I have no problem. But when it’s them pulling all nighters I have to do it do.
It just doesn’t make sense to me and it seems abusive. Why do we perpetuate this type of behavior?
Ultimately this is just plain inefficient
There’s no reason to force people to stay up late for something that can be checked in 2 minutes. It’s ridiculous. I fucking hate this job so much.
Just go to bed... it's not a big deal
"Have this on my desk tomorrow"
Doesn't read it until 2 weeks later.
Go to sleep, your senior does not expect you to be awake at 4am. Set an alarm for 8am and check if you got anything, then send it out.
You need to set this standard now because if you don’t you’ll be expected to do this shit
This is accurate, OP take this advice.
I will add in that obviously be smart. If you have a bake-off due that AM, in person board meeting is at 8am and need to print, and stuff like that, then yes you have to stay up and that’s not fun. But I would assume that’s only a portion of the time with your sent out deliverables. Hopefully the above posters advice can help in the scenarios that aren’t like the ones I described in this
Just got to bed and set an alarm to send out first thing.
Unless it's super urgent (pitch / board meeting etc) or a live deal, the client probably won't look at it at that hour of the morning.
Also - there is a certain level of audacity in this post. Your outputs aren't everyone's time priority. An Associate or VP may have 3/4 other things to review already in queue.
Just because you don't have anything else doesn't mean others don't.
True, but it’s just inefficient saying you want something sent out tonight. You get the finished deliverable by 9:00pm, and instead of taking 2 minutes to check and send out and check it off your to do list, you wait and push it back until 4:00am.
What if there’s a bunch of comments? While Aso and VP were busy doing other comments, I could have gotten a head start on these if they had just reviewed when I sent instead of pushing it back.
I am really trying to not be a dick here but it does not take “2 seconds to review”. Reviewing involves checking for flow and how the book ties together, checking the math, checking the messaging and tone, checking that there are no other errors.
Your seniors have this plus probably 3-5 other things to review. Their bosses sending them emails hounding them on why XYZ deal is blowing up. Their clients emailing them on live deals. Their clients emailing them with random asks. They have calls all day from morning to night (that they need to prep for). Oftentimes travel is a factor too.
Look, I’m a junior banker and the above is not at all bootlicking for seniors that coast by and make your life hell. But in my experience, as frustrating as what you said is, the majority of seniors likely aren’t doin it to spite you. They’re just much busier than you think, and for them busy is not only the volume of work but also doing thoughtful work (the client emails and calls portions).
Take my advice above in my other comment. Otherwise, it seems like your attitude is very “me” centric and missing the bigger picture, unfortunately.
who are these psycho VPs reviewing pages in the middle of the night? Unless its a bakeoff for the next morning or something I stop reviewing at like 9pm
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