A random walk down an efficient market
“You only find out who is swimming naked when the tide goes out.”“A girl in a convertible is worth five in the phonebook.”
“Let blockheads read what blockheads wrote.”
Yeah, solid small talk there Warren. Got to go return some videotapes now.
It’s no secret that I’m not a fan of Warren Buffett, but the old coot does have his moments every now and again.
I was reading More Money than God yesterday and I really enjoyed how he took down the Efficient Market Random Walk moodges...
“The few money managers who appear to defy the random-walk hypothesis are merely lucky, Jensen assured his listeners. Sure, some beat the market for five years straight. But if you asked a million people to flip coins, some would flip five heads in a row. There is no skill in coin flipping—and investment is no different.Then Warren Buffett delivered a rejoinder that could serve as a hedge-fund manifesto. He began by playing along with Jensen’s argument, inviting his audience to imagine a national coin-flipping contest. At the start of the competition, everyone in America would flip a coin, and those who turned up tails would withdraw from the contest. At the end of ten rounds, 220,000 flippers would be left—and, human nature being what it is, the survivors would start to get a little cocky. At the end of twenty rounds, the 215 remaining contestants would start to wax insufferable, publishing fatuous books on the art and science of coin flipping. But then some business-school professor would point out that if 225,000,000 orangutans engaged in a coin-flip-a-thon, the results would be the same. There would be 215 egotistical orangutans with twenty straight winning flips.
Having made Jensen’s argument better than Jensen, Buffett proceeded to cut holes in it. If the 215 winning orangutans were distributed randomly about the country, their success could be dismissed as luck. But if 40 of the 215 winners hailed from the same zoo, wouldn’t something else explain their coin flipping? Phenomena that appear statistically random can appear altogether different when you consider their distribution, Buffett was saying. If you found that a rare cancer was common in a particular village, you would not put that down to chance. You would analyze the water.”
Granted, this was geared more toward the Random Walk theory but nevertheless, it’s really funny how the Efficient Market Hypothesis is still alive today - not just alive, but sometimes taught in schools around the world by Professors with credentials up the wazoo.
Are there any Efficient Market/Random Walk people here on WSO?
I for one believe its as bullshit as the Huffington Post.
Sure, the markets can, will, and does discount information and expectations but all you need to do is look at the bubbles of the past decades and through the 10-k’s of overpriced stocks today to see that it doesn't work.
Gold, by any other standard, is definitely not worth $1,388 per ounce. Neither are most of the commodities worth what they are today, a whole bunch of stocks, and a shit ton of I.P.O.’s as well.
Anybody remember Tesla’s a few months back? That was efficiently priced for sure.
How about you guys? What are your thought on these theories?
Is there really any truth to them? Or should I keep my random walking to nights out on Johnny Walker?
It's funny I was talking to a director at BarCap who graduated Wharton undergrad when this bull shit was all the rage, the market is not 100% efficient. Look at how badly beaten down some bank stocks are.
I guess my own (humble) opinion, is that the EMH maybe somewhat useful (at times) as a way of thinking about the market. For example, I had a friend tell me that he was looking at the gas prices every morning, and if they went up he would buy stock in one company, and if they went down he would sell their stock (in reality, he was just messing around on a stock simulator, so no money was at stake). If you think in terms of the EMH, it gives you a reason to question this strategy. With that said though, models can definitely be taken too seriously. Models are metaphors, and should help someone think about the real world, but when you start taking every detail of the model literally, you're really giving to much credit to the social sciences.
I think it's pretty disingenuous to describe the EMH as "bullshit". There is clearly some proof that in a perfect world with perfect information, markets would behave efficiently. Anyone that's traded in the market even once knows though - information is NOT evenly distributed or instantly widely available. There are thousands of inefficiencies in the market every second. I believe there are two types of inefficiencies - micro inefficiencies and emotion-based macro delusions. There are arbitrage shops all up and down wall street vacuuming up the micro inefficiencies (index arb, correlation trading, etc). I think the real opportunities today are chances when you can spot and exploit a "macro delusion" - when the entire market is driven on irrationality, fear, or popular opinion. Examples could include global phenomenons like the tech and housing bubbles, or could be specific to fear and irrationality around a single stock.
It's not that markets wouldn't behave efficiently in a world where humans didn't exist, it's just that markets are made by people with emotions, families to feed, and egos to stroke. By our own human nature, it introduces irrationality.
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