Ok heres the situation.
A roommate's gf needs to crash in our apt. Ordinarily I'd be cool if it was like a few days/max 1 week. I wouldn't ask for the person to chip in for rent.
But this person needs to stay for 1 month. She wouldn't be staying in the living room obviously, but with in my roommate's bedroom. Its a 3 BR apartment with the three of us paying 1/3 the rent. She'd be the fourth person temporarily.
Assume that half the space is the bedrooms (private areas) and half is living room, bathroom, kitchen, etc (call this common areas)
How much should this person chip in, in terms of fraction of total rent?
My roommate got all quantitative and divided up the room into common spaces, and private spaces. Then he applied a time weighting to take into account that this girl will not be spending most of the time in the common spaces. The result is that the girl pays 1.5% of the monthly rent, which is less than $75 a month.
To me, this doesnt seem like a sane amount. What is the amount that you guys think she should pay?
How much is the monthly rent?
No, I will not do the math. It's Friday.
5k
Id be livid if I was in this situation. Thats why I prefer not have a roomate. Her fair share is a fourth of the rent. Is she not using the toilet paper to wipe her ass? Is she not using utilities? Do you really think shes going to keep her confined quarters in mind throughout her stay? Give her a discount if need be but I would tell your friend to go fk himself.
I love it when people try to crash at apartments and think it's okay to just not pay.
I'll probably front my bros, but this chick is your roommate's girl. She needs to speak up and realize that she's taking up utilities as well (shit is not cheap). I say she needs to chip in more than $300, at the very least.
PS - Is this $5000 including utilities?
PPS - I'd kick your roommate's face in with his stupid calculations. Yes, I'm angry at 7PM on a Friday.
250 - 300 + her share for utilities, supplies, etc.
You're right OP. She(or the roommate) should pay something closer to $250-$300
Just have her clean the place and dont ask for money. I wont get into the prices, but we had a maid come every 2 weeks senior year + we had to supply her with the cleaning supplies. If this girl buys the shit on her own and does a decent job youd actually b "making" money on the deal
For starters, it probably isn't a huge deal either way. If I were living in an apartment with two other young professionals, I'd personally let it slide if it's only a month. If anything, it gives you leeway should you need some temporary adjustment in the living arrangement down the road. However, if it's an objective decision you seek, here it is:
The very obvious flaw in the allocation is the time weighting of how much she will spend in the common spaces. Why should she be subject to such parameters but not the rest of you? Make it clear that rent is a fixed cost, not a variable cost. By his logic, you should be allowed to complain to your roommate that if you spend even less time in common spaces, you should be entitled to a rent reduction. Just ask him what would happen if you personally committed to spending less time in common spaces than her.
As for the solution, I think if the three main roommates agree that each person's monthly payment is divided into 50-50 into payment for common and private spaces (this allocation is arbitrary, but if it is deemed fair by all parties, then it is an operable assumption), then the fair solution is to split half the rent into three pieces (payment for private rooms) and the other half into four pieces (the public spaces). Thus the allocation is as follows:
Girlfriend: (1/2)(1/4)+(1/2)(1/3)(1/2) = 0.208333333
Boyfriend: (1/2)(1/4)+(1/2)(1/3)(1/2) = 0.208333333
You: (1/2)(1/4)+(1/2)(1/3) = 0.291666667
Remaining Roomie: (1/2)(1/4)+(1/2)(1/3) = 0.291666667
Obviously boyfriend probably won't make her pay the "private room" fee since he's likely getting a non-monetary payout for that, so her breakdown is closer to a clean 1/8. Stated otherwise, the two of them should have to figure out the complement of the sum of you and the third roommate.
If they have a problem with this, you can offer to renegotiate the allocation of private/public rent portions or you can remind lover boy that he's free to pay any portion of his GF's rent that he can. Finally, any utilities bills should be split into equal fourths.
Again though, just want to reiterate that you should probably let this slide. If you show them this math you're gonna seem incredibly petty. Your call.
hahahahahahahahahaha this.
Its a month... be a little generous. Is $300(/2) gonna change your life? Just let her stay for free.
Next thing you know there will be some dumbass on here charging his roommates 20 bucks if they bring a girl over for a night.
Someone right now is building a spreadsheet for this.
PS - Enjoy living with your pissed off roommate for the remainder of the lease if this goes sour.
Good point. Even if i were a cheap ass mofo id still let this one slide because i wouldnt want to piss of my roommate for the remainder of the lease. You might need a favor in the future... or he might just teabag your apple pie and piss on your tooth brush.
OP - Why does she need to crash for 1 month? Did her place burn down or something?
Money is money, guys. Outside the office the other day sipping on my coffee when I spotted three pennies right in front me. Picked that shit up straight ILProgrammer style.
The bathroom is really the big issue. Given that she will most likely be using it, she counts as half a person still. So their rent goes from $1667 to ~$2121
One other way to do things is to calculate what everyone else's rent would be if this were a four bedroom apartment with the same common areas, have everyone else pay that, and have them make up the difference.
Whoever is posting MS forgets that this is Manhattan and people are short on time as well as cash. People visiting for a few days, even a week, is ok, but when you're paying $1700/month for rent and can't use your living room or have to wait 30 minutes for the shower, things feel unfair unless there are price adjustments.
@OP, Frieds is the expert on this, but you may be able to threaten to have her arrested for trespassing if you're pissed off enough. Only in NYC do you need a legal advice for handling roommate relations.
Common dude.. stop rationalizing being petty. I know it sucks to share a bathroom but making your roommate's girlfriend pay isn't going to make any difference.
If it were that big of an issue to the OP he should have said he was not ok with it from the start. There is also a nice way of telling the girl that this is my place and I shower at 700 on the dot so don't be in the bathroom at that time.
If the girl has any class she would be aware of her imposition and try to mitigate it.
Some of you guys give me the hebrew jeebees.
Havent read any of the comments... but good lord man.. how cheap are you? She isn't even taking up an extra room. Have her split the utilities for the month or something, if you really wanna go down that road, but shit.
yeah but, can you imagine if EVERYONE in that room brought in one extra person for a month? it'll be like living in a tiny frat house. holy shit.
OP just sounds like he is one heck of a good time.
My roommate used to bring home a girl 3xs a week, usually just some random girl from the bar... OP sounds like the type of guy who would try to do the math and figure out how much each girl needs to pay him before she is allowed to come over each night hahah.
You cheap finance pussies.
You don't charge this chick anything. Worst case you ask her to throw in some money for utilities or whatever she feels is right. If she's not a dumb bitch, she'll be doing the cleaning maybe cook you guys a few meals, buy you some drinks at the bar. Is $2 or $300/ 2 or 3 people worth the bullshit?
I'm not in IBD and not pulling in $100k+ and know better than that.
Over-under on OP being Asian?
Supposedly OP is 1st year associate in AM who went to Wharton and he is worried about some roommates gf paying $200 bucks for sleeping there for a couple weeks? lol
Now I know the guy is a whole heeeep of fun...
Thanks for all the replies folks. That figure of around 400 is what I had in mind as well, so thanks for the sanity check.
I cant let it slide as many have suggested. She'll be staying for much longer than 1 month. More like triple that time. I just said 1 month in the original post to imply a monthly basis. Plus, she has been earning money longer than us. So she's definitely paying...
Nouveau: Thanks for those calculations. I made a spreadsheet based on that that has similar results as yours to show him.
As far as roommate relationship, we 3 are very good friends (which is why I agreed to this gf thing). In the past, we've always been good with financial matters (paying each other back, keeping records of who owes who, etc).
Your ability to communicate the situation in your first post is appalling. Also, letting this girl stay over for 3 months is just asking for trouble. Lastly, this is not Judge Judy. There is a forum for that...
Strongly agree with Apollo on first two points.
OP - How hot is the girlfriend? You said you all are good friends - maybe you can work out a different arrangement. If she is hot and you are really good friends, perhaps she is willing to participate in a monthly gangbang, maybe even biweekly if you are feeling lucky.
on one hand, the OP could let her in for free. on the other hand, don't you guys think the GIRLFRIEND should at least be a little more sensitive/nice and at least offer something in return?
i dont know, i wouldn't feel bad about taking up the spot with my girlfriend for free (that's what close friends are for right?) but if she's got other room mates there who I dont know too well, I would feel very respectful to them and personally I won't even suggest staying over until I've made an offer first even if they don't want to take it. Like, I'd offer part of the rent or to cook or something.
You guys are right in that the OP might be a little anal here but on the other hand, I HATE HATE HATE people who take things for granted without offering something first and think it's ok to always take take take just because something's there. If she's physically disabled, mentally disabled, had a tragedy in the family, or is handicapped, that's a different story.
Alright fair enough.
Is there a way to lock up this thread? It's no longer necessary as I've gotten what I was looking for.
No, the judgement shall continue.
lol I for one welcome an update in ~ 3 months
3 months you're a fool for agreeing to this. I also hope you have more than 1 bathroom. This will be an awful situation. Unless this girl is somehow reasonable and understands she can't take 50 mins in the bathroom every morning.
I'm a little surprised no one has dropped the "Orgy" bomb yet. Think of it as deferred compensation.
Unless you meant it would just happen anyway at some point.
I've had buddies crash on my couch or spare bedroom for the better part of the last six months. There is no need to haggle over a few hundred dollars when it comes to your best friends. So what if she'll spend longer time in the bathroom, just remember that your buddy stroke one out when he was in the shower. You'll have a maid and chef for the next three months that will make your flat look great. Quit bitching, and just make a mental note for when you need a favor in the future.
Trust me, no good will come out of this. Much less you providing your roommates with this division of costs. Human beings are cruel and malicious, who knows what she'll do to your stuff when you're working all those hours.
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