Alt left is trying to cancel Joe Rogan
No matter what way you look at it, this is literally censorship. I don't even like Joe Rogan, but I certainly respect his right to free speech. He's not spreading hate speech, he literally just had a dude who disagreed with certain elements of modern science. For context, he had another doctor a while back who vehemently supported vaccines as well -- so you can't even argue that he wasn't providing a balanced take (not that this is necessary, just look at how alt left New York Times is).
Look, at some point you either admit this is NOT a free society (i.e. China) or you have to let all voices be heard. The left needs to admit that we do not really have freedom of speech, it's utterly duplicitous to parade around like we protect all the good & righteousness in the world in a free, democratic society & then silence voices / de-platform them when they don't fit your agenda. What a carnival
It's actually pretty incredible how the left can own Spotify, Netflix, Hulu, etc. basically churn out propaganda on race, gender, covid, etc. and still half the nation is like "yep, this is bullshit".
Rogan isn't anti science. He is pro accountability. A healthier lifestyle is more important to you , the individual, beating covid than some vaccine. Hard to hear for the group that promotes victimhood and govt support
Yeah but if you allow de-platforming at scale for decades on end then you end up with a brainwashed society that doesn't accept any viewpoints that aren't alt left. Though the U.S. itself may fracture long before that happens
I'm hopeful for DAOs / blockchain / crypto which is censorship-resistant & we can have more platforms / avenues where conservative & centrist voices aren't crushed
It's just shocking how much hate alt left has managed to silence voices across social media & content companies. Times like this, even if I don't care for it, I'm glad we have the likes of Fox News & similar conservative content companies around -- that's the one place the left can't censor
How the fuck is a currency related to censorship my man, what r u smoking
Right, if Joe Rogan gets criticism we should also criticize the mainstream-media BLM push, 1619 Project, Trump obsession, commie podcasts and other leftist shit.
how dare u tread on BLM
I don’t think it’s the alt left, it’s also centrists and people who are pro science.
He’s basically going around and parroting the early trump stance that the vaccine is a scam.
Of course, the ultimate irony is that trump eventually got the vaccine and booster lol.
So you’re saying the alt left is trying to cancel Joe Rogan, who is pro vaccine? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.
i think rogan is a moron so I don’t really listen to him, so not been following the story closely.
Just read something on cnn about how he was pushing anti-vax crap.
Early Trump stance? Trump has always touted how great the vaccines are because he has a huge ego and is trying to take credit for them / Op Warp Speed. The people who said they wouldn't take the vaccine when Trump was in office was the democrats and people who weren't going to take the vaccine regardless if Trump was in office.
I could be wrong here, but I thought he always was pro-vaccine. I even recall one crowd booing him when he tried to take credit for Operation Warp Speed
The great thing about arguing with trumpets like you is that when trump was president he said all of his insane stuff on recorded video as president of the United States.
So you can pretend all you want that he was pro vaccine and took the virus seriously and told all his supporters to wear masks and get vaccinated.
But he literally went on official record as POTUS telling people to not worry about the China virus and inject themselves with bleach.
Riddle me this.
If Trump was pro vaccine, then why are the biggest anti-vaxers hardcore republicans? I mean cmon. If you’re going to a trumper, at least own it.
Pro science? Are there people who are anti science? tf
Science isn't real, Lib
SCIENCE!!!
*sponsored by Pfizer. Science may turn your dick inside out.
'Pro science' is 100% complete bullshit to justify ridiculous measures under the guise of 'science', without any nuance involving impact on economy, personal liberty, unintended consequences, etc.. What does pro science even mean?
Masking forever? Because science says it slows the spread of airborne viruses somewhat. So should this be the normal every
Vaccine cards to go out in public? Because that slows the spread I'm sure, but raises ethical questions
Test teachers and students regularly for COVID to stop the spread? Is the offset of remote learning and less socialization during key developmental ages of our students worth it to stop spread of a virus that poses virtually no risk to them?
Limit number of people in a business? Should we continue with economic stimulus, bail outs, printing money, etc. or just let these businesses continue to die off while major corporations (Amazon, GOOG, Netflix) thrive in this new environment?
Saying you are 'pro science' just means you are 'anti nuance', and are willing to hand over personal freedoms, liberty, values, etc. to an 'expert' just for an extra ounce of protection and safety. Sad that is all it takes for some people
Did anyone else have to google who Joe Rogan was?
no
Seth Rogans brother you stupid lib
They're getting pissy because Rogan's viewership makes their's look like a children's play in comparison. Further, it's telling that they say Joe Rogan is spreading misinformation, when the proper argument is that if anyone is spreading disinformation, it's his guests. But they never mention that or qualify their barbs with anything like "Joe is giving his guests the platform to spread disinformation". On top of that, they say Joe Rogan is responsible for thousands of deaths, but of course that's all emotional conjecture and I've only seen one vetted article where someone is suing Rogan because his wife refused to get vaccinated because of a guest she saw on his show and died from COVID. I don't have all the details in front of me, but it's out there. And that's for a court to decide if somehow Rogan is liable for his guest's opinions.
It's pretty obvious they're just looking for a way to pick a fight with Rogan because his influence looms over their continually dwindling influence.
I think that lawsuit will be difficult for that individual to win because you'd have to prove that the wife wouldn't have died had she gotten Covid and been fully vaccinated (even though the probability of death is lower with the vaccine, it is not 0). If she has underlying health issues, I don't see how Rogan will be required to settle. Only if she was relatively healthy could a strong case be made.
Nice thing is that Joe Rogan is such a major presence (biggest podcaster in the world, on any platform) that he can activate his own distribution. It won't be as good as having unlimited distribution across the #1 app, but he has his own website. If Spotify kicks him off, he can move there
Again, hopeful for DAOs to provide access to censorship-resistant platforms to allow for a central point for demand to access free speech
I'm just here patiently waiting for some asinine comment from my good fren Drumpfy. I've set the over/under of MS thrown at his post at 15, -105 either way
So ironic to post this when the far right is currently in the midst of banning books. Right wingers are all for censorship when it's something they don't agree with.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/texas-books-race-sexuality-schools…
It's a different argument when you are talking about what books minors can have access to. I'm sure you wouldn't be ok with the local elementary library having Playboy's and other like-minded material on the shelves.
Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it. Ring a bell? They banned Maus and are passing laws making teachers personally liable if parents decide to sue because they disagree with the curriculum. 8/10 teachers in Indiana right now say they want to get out. My wife has been a SPED teacher for 6 years. She's excellent at her job and she's in interview rounds with several companies and probably weeks from quitting mid-year, which is something she couldn't have fathomed even a year ago.
Right. Also, I wouldn't be comfortable with my children learning about slavery, or discrimination, or anything else. In fact, I'm uncomfortable with anyone mentioning religions other than sects of Protestant Christianity! Get rid of that too, along with the Playboy.
There's no alt left. The vast majority of liberals support censorship, child grooming, tyranny, racism, terrorism and crime.
Best way to debate them is to simply HONK in their goddamn face.
It's crazy how they're trying to groom children into becoming LGBT. If you look at recent stats, some ~40% of Gen Z "identifies" as LGBT -- which is literally IMPOSSIBLE from millennia of anthropological studies. There has never been a major society in history with that high a percentage of people who are LGBT. Only way this could happen is if they were groomed into it at scale by media
This is the kind of crap that happens when you censor reasonable voices
These kids were fundamentally those whose teen years would be spent pretending to be goth, punk, emo, or whatever the fad of the decade is. The unpopular kids who aren't good looking, nor good at sports, nor good at studies, hence need an identity to ''fit it''.
It is an unforgivable crime to hand over vulnerable kids, to use a term the libs love so much, to groomers, who then brag about what they do on tiktok.
"People on the left do tons of bad things, but my only rebuttal is to not actually debate them!"
Sounds like a real strong ethical position. Lot of projection in there.
HONK!
This is so weird to me. I've listened to most Rogan episodes since the 300s. I started listening to podcasts while bored doing my first internship And never stopped. So it's been like 8 years now. I've known Rogan's voice in my ear longer than I've known my wife.
What if this had happened to Tim Ferris instead? Lol. Guess he didn't have the right... or wrong... guests on.
It's amazing to me how you can talk out of both sides of your mouth. No one is trying to "cancel" Joe Rogan - a bunch of people who disagree with him made a business decision not to associate with Spotify. If Joe Rogan has a right to say what he will, so do they. So who is it that is required to cave to the other's demand? As with most conservatives, it's "free speech for me, not for thee."
Also, Spotify has a right to de-platform whoever they want, and if you object to that - well, complain to your evangelical brothers, who have so successfully campaigned for the right of private enterprise to discriminate.
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That's not really fair. You're making the argument that as the business owner, they get to decide who can and can't use their product. That's like if I said my restaurant won't serve black people -- this is 100% not legal yet it's legal for big media companies to kick people off their service?
It's not consistent
Both should be allowed. Private property rights and freedom of association mean that a business owner can choose who gets to patronize their establishment or use particular products or services. Freedom of speech is a negative liberty against the federal government, so they can't lock you up for what you say. It doesn't apply to businesses. I think cancel culture and censorship sucks, but it's not a freedom of speech issue. I'm obviously against racism, but if a business owner wants to ban a particular race, so be it. I would never go there and would tell others to avoid the place.
Social media and the free market would destroy that business and anyone who patronizes it. People seem to forget that Jim Crow laws and the racist past of the US were mandated by the government. It was not private businesses voluntarily segregating. In a true free market, business owners would not give a fuck about the race of customers because they just want to maximize profits. Maybe there would be some racist business owners still, but they would get wiped out over time as competitors gained more and more market share from serving all races.
There's a reason even during Apartheid, where it was illegal and/or subject to fine to hire blacks, there were many jobs where blacks outnumbered whites. Blacks were also even in senior positions at times too. Even if someone's a racist business owner, he/she only cares about maximizing profit. If that means serving or hiring people of color, that's what they will do and what history shows.
Nobody gives a fuck about your race if you have some skills/talent that can benefit someone. So yes, let's get rid of counterproductive anti-discrimination laws and provisions of the Civil Rights Act that don't allow businesses to discriminate. All that happens is discrimination occurs even more because small business owners aren't going to take the chance to hire a black person when they could at any point claim racism and slap a big lawsuit if they need to fire them. Small businesses don't have the economies of scale that big corporations do with a full set of lawyers to fight anything.
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