Been reading a little bit about Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren (and every democratic candidate apparently), wanting to forgive students loans.
Does anyone think is a good/bad idea?
I see the good in that it would help people get out of debt, and give them a better life.
Personally, I think it's a bad idea. Would cost too much money from the government/taxes, and I believe people would just find other ways to go into debt.
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bad idea. you are correct that people would just find other ways to go into debt. people need to learn from their mistakes, and they will never learn if someone is constantly cleaning up their mess and bailing them out. I paid off all $50,000 of my student loans and it was very painful to see that money flying out of my wallet every month. the pain of losing that money has stuck with me through the years and you can bet I would never allow myself to accrue that much unsecured debt ever again
It's super regressive and should be strangled in the womb. Just using Democratic talking points alone (not even conservative thinking): * Doesn't help the most needy in population (why not fund trade schools or something?) * Rewards bad / irresponsible financial decision making * Punishes people who paid down loans early or worked during college * Disproportionate benefit to those in more expensive schools * Bernie's plan is regardless of income! (Lawyers benefit same as basket weavers?)
The list goes on. I can think of a lot "better" left-leaning things to spend $2.2tn on: * Infrastructure * Housing for homeless * Healthcare for poor * Some other national project... this plan makes the Green New Deal look like Einstein's work * Literally just paying down debt
Exactly. I feel like it's a huge middle finger to those who actually had the initiative to work during school and to see those who took out loans carelessly getting bailed out. Really hope they don't take office.
Incredibly stupid. If you were dumb enough to "fOLLoeeeW UR pAsSionZ" and load up on 100k in music school debt while others ate then that's on you.
This. I know a handful of people that went into law school, back to grad school after to get an Accounting degree just to get a job. Some doctors I know went through med school only to hate it, now have debt in the 300-400k+ (undergrad included).
I know some people on the other end who went to ~3 years of college, never graduated. Now they have debt and no degree.
I chose to stay in state as well as many of my friends at my state school due to scholarships/cheap tuition. Student loan debt being cancelled would basically punish everyone like us. Also I can only see it leading to a higher enrollment in degrees that do not convert well to a FT job. (think history major at non-target)
This.
Also, I think canceling debt fixes the cause and not the affect. What they should be promoting is, if you don't want to go into debt, go to community college for 2 years (credits are 1/10 the price), work while you're there, save up, then go to a state school for the last two years, and you can graduate with minimum debt.
If people couldn't figure out on their own that $100k in debt for a bumfuckU gender studies degree was a bad investment, they are not getting my tax dollars.
Funny AND accurate. sb
Ah great! I was just wondering how I could repay my loans for my double bachelors from University of Phoenix and DeVry University. Thanks Bernie!
you always struck me as a Strayer guy...
Unfortunately Strayer did not offer my major of Submerged Bassinet Construction.
Bad idea.
I think student loan debt is a problem, but that forgiving it is not the solution. Decreasing the cost of college naturally would be a healthier alternative. The government should be less involved.
Teaching high school kids about basic finance and showing them how lucrative some alternatives are compared to the college-path would go a long way. I remember we had an "advanced" English class my senior year (not even AP) and we were continuously told we were all "college bound" students. In reality, less than half should have actually attended college.
Went to anon target for basically free, forgoing semi-target schools I got accepted into for the sake of family finances. Huge middle finger to people in that same situation across America.
They want to win over the majority of the poor and push for anti-Trump campaign.
To be clear, I'm not in the "forgive all student debt" camp, but...do you not think the Middle Class has student loans? I would bet they have the majority of student loans...
Since the Obama presidency, Dems have moved far left, and this trend accelerated with the Trump presidency. The Dems are now a socialist open-borders party that is obsessed with identity politics and wants reparations.
The cost of higher education is a big problem but forgiving student loans is not the answer. My wife borrowed a lot of money to go to law school but we paid it back. Anyone who borrows money should assume that he or she will be required to repay the loan,
I agree with OP. To me, it sort of feels like this would lead to the "lottery effect" where a lot of people who suddenly had no more student loans (more money to spend in their minds) but bad habits and poor financial literacy would just find other ways to get themselves into trouble.
In addition, wouldn't this just convince schools to keep tuition/school costs (the real problem) where they are if they will still get their money one way or another?
It would almost certainly increase the cost of school even further
Exactly. There's just too many variables that colleges put into their "costs" that would make total loan forgiveness impossible. There would (and will) never be an equitable way to fully forgive student loans.
Not saying it's the future or anything, but I listened to a Planet Money episode where students were applying for capital through a program at select schools, where they wouldn't have to pay back the money they received, but would rather have to pay a percentage of their earnings for the first ten (I think - could be wrong) years after college, sort of like an income-sharing agreement. There was a cap on how much they would have to give back in case they made it big and the percentage also discriminated based on major (Engineers would pay a lower percentage than English majors). Also, it didn't matter what job they took afterwards and essentially the clock for the payback period would pause if they wanted to take a gap year or anything.
Episode #903: A New Way to Pay For College
I’m fine with it but it needs to be coupled with actual action to reduce the cost of education otherwise we’re just doing this every 10 years at which point, why bother at all?
Huge lol at the guy who thinks middle class America doesn’t have student loan debt
Government has spent a lot more taxpayer dollars on a lot worse, so the idea doesn't offend me. A bailout for working professionals would be nice. Beats dumping a few more trillion into disastrous military adventures.
Decades of unimaginative thinking--responses of too hard--is what led to Bernie and Trump.
You can't just see a problem and something being broken but just step over it for too long. That's utterly insane.
I actually think Robert Smith's recent gift to forgive all Morehouse's student debt for those graduating in 2019 is going to be a fascinating case study. Students a year before and after both did not get this and will this make more people continue to take debt and they'll just hope it magically goes away as well? Will there be some sort of stigma associated with the 2019 class since they are put on a much better footing than others (he essentially made them all "privileged")?
I think for the government to forgive all of the student debt would be ridiculous and just continue to inflate the education bubble - free money in general is always a bad idea.
Terrible policy. Along with healthcare and housing, tuition has seen massive inflation adjusted cost increases due to government intervention and regulation. Get the government out of school loans, tax university endowments and place the burden on the universities, and allow people to discharge loans through a bankruptcy process.
Bernie's proposal is simply a punishment of those who did not attend college or responsibly paid off their loans. In turn, it also favors the wealthy universities, crushing small local colleges in the process. Schools will only be incentivized to further raise tuition.
Listening to him/his supporters speak is almost cute...some people get angry, but it’s become such a spectacle to me that I appreciate the comedic value
I don't see how this generates them any new votes. The stereotypical millennial whining about student loan debt was already voting Dem.
Plus, the college population as a whole could be considered "privileged" already as I imagine their parents incomes would be above the average American. So it seems like this is a more regressive policy and inconsistent with other parts of Dem platform - now they're just offering handouts for votes.
Only in favor if we also cancel our debt to China.
Its a fucking dumb and unpractical idea. Fucking Bernie and Ihlan Omar need to wake the fuck up too. Their plan is not creative at all and makes no sense. "Oh we'll raise the money by taxing wall street" yeah said you and like everyone else since '08. I'm surprised Omar can even draw breath between her anti-Israel rhetoric, let alone formulate an idea (if you can even call this an idea). Warren needs to ditch this plan if she is serious about running for president. I don't think Bernie qualifies as serious, so he can just do whatever he wants, idgaf.
Didn't Omar marry her brother?
I heard about that and wouldn't be surprised. She is lowkey one of the worst people and is not intellectually capable of being in office. Her and Donald are much more similar than she would ever care to think.
Would it be so bad if we ended all tax deductions and exemptions? Lower capital gains and lower marginal rates on a progressive basis.
Or get rid of taxes all together because its objectively theft?
It's literally not theft.
It's a great idea. An entire system that scams students by feeding them ideology, shielding them from life hardship, thus making them essentially underqualified and psychologically fragile will be preserved by holding the collective responsible, aka socialization of losses, instead of the academia itself, the main culprit, and those who were dumb enough to get scammed.
Personal responsibility is essentially abolished in favour of a fairer system where if you fail at something, you'll get someone to blame and someone that pays for you. It's certainly never your fault. The future looks bright.
Happy Chinese century btw.
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