Dealing with Loneliness in Finance?
I have worked for almost a decade in the finance sector. Workweeks often exceeded 80 hours earlier on, now still around 60 per week, a reality that has gradually reshaped aspects of my personality and social life. Once a decent conversationalist, I have noticed a shift towards becoming more reserved and less inclined to chat with others during even face to face interactions, a change that seems to have widened the gap between myself and friends from university and other circles of my life
Despite naturally preferring solitude on most days, some moments of isolation during work-from-home days prompt a reflection on this evolving sense of detachment and loneliness.
Would be interested in hearing any advice and would appreciate your thoughts, advice, and any stories of similar experiences on either rebuilding a sense of community or improving your social skills in any meaningful way
Been wondering the same, could see people becoming more lonely as time goes on.
How does this work when you're past the age of 35 for example, and it's more difficult to just waltz over to a local sports league to play basketball with a bunch of 20something year olds?
Hm I'd imagine you're at least into your 30s, not sure what people do at that age to re-build a sense of community. Is this common for folk in finance? Would imagine you're past the point of going back to school, are there any hobbies or shows you have that you could spend time on during the day?
I'm not quite your age, but went through a lonely period last year that extended several months. Here are a couple things that I did to fill my time
Overall, the city can be a very lonely place if you dont have your "group(s)" of people. I learned that more often than not, you have to make an effort to put yourself in social situations.
Thanks, this is helpful insight. Have you ever felt like you've gotten somewhat rusty on social skills? When I meet new people, I sometimes blank on what to talk to them about, or find that the conversations can seem bland, but probably from their perspective, I'm probably also seemingly too jaded seeming or unenthusiastic, which could lead others to be the same towards me
not really. I inherently like to ask people questions and find them interesting once you dig under the surface. I'd say a good default is just asking the person about themselves, how they ended up at the event, who they know, work etc etc
Reach out to your old close friends, don't beat around the bush and be honest about why you have neglected those friendships. I think any sane person can understand sometimes things just creep up, compound, and before you know it you've forgotten to respond to X or Y etc. and feel it's now too awkward to rekindle a conversation. But honestly it never is. And, I think organising even just a chat or something to catch up with them will help plug up those gaps of loneliness & give you another thing to look forward to every week, or every so often.
*I would add to try join some informal form of sport (not sure where you are based but football 5 aside or something) to do something weekly with friends, casually. And, try put yourself in social situations to help you re-establish your confidence in speaking. It usually isn't the case your social skills have become atrophied, rather you just feel you lack confidence (at least in my case) given you haven't exercised that skill in a while, which then compounds & makes you feel less optimistic about social events, causing you to not engage fully/purposely avoid them etc...
As one of the older guys here, I figured I would chime in to this discussion...
Unfortunately, the loneliness, and and feeling of solitude, is sadly quite common. I've seen it happen to many (perhaps most, if they don't end up married, with a family).
While in your 20s, you might make friends at work, and your extended social circle morphs to include friends of friends. You are also young enough to still be in (some) contact with people from college, or even old high school buddies. It's a lot easier in your 20s.
When you hit your 30s, you really start to lose contact with school friends, and if you don't have a social network through your colleagues, then it gets rough -- especially if not married or long term dating. (If you have a long-term relationship, it makes it easier, because then both of you kinda blend with other couples. If the relationship ends, it all goes away, in many cases, however).
I'm your 40s, if you aren't married, you'll be the odd one out, and you'll find yourself focused on work, because you have nothing else to do, etc.
My advice is to stay social however possible in your 20s, because it will be much harder in 30s or later.
A lot of us end up lonely, very lonely. Just know that you aren't alone.
If you don't have a circle of work friends, or a social circle of people you know locally, try to see if you know anyone in the same city, who you may have prior contact with (from school , etc), and try to invite them out, hopefully with a few others. That helps to gradually add to your network.
Figure out if you are into anything, like a sport, or something that might have an organized group, or something like that.
Honestly, there is no real easy answer, because it gets incredibly hard, even in your 20s.
Statistically, I read that the number of lonely single males in society is huge, and seemingly worse than ever. We end up disconnected, and it's rough, without any real clear path within adulthood.
Some firms will throw social events, etc. If your firm does, then it's usually a good way to socialize with others, and perhaps make some contacts.
At my firm, we have a suite at sporting events, etc, and the younger guys tend to get into that -- often, tending to be quite fraternal as a group, which is good.
However, the older guys at the firm don't usually have the same feeling or experience, because it tends to be a bit awkward for older guys to socialize with that same group -- it's even worse for those who aren't married -- and yes, there are plenty of guys who aren't.
I guess the point of what I'm saying is to try to find ways to expand your social circle, however you can, in your 20s, because a lot of it becomes nearly impossible later on, so try to establish and maintain those connections, even if you don't really like them, it still gives you potential to expand your social network.
That sucks man -- it's one of the things that scares me a bit. I had a massive epiphany at 23-24 and reconnected with a lot of friends / made a lot more. Reach out to old friends, go to meetup events, etc. And then maintain those connections with meeting up as often as you can / calling / etc
Making friends becomes REALLY hard the older you get. Even in your mid-20s it's much harder than early 20s and late 20s is a bit harder than mid-20s. Can't imagine what 30+ feels like though if you're in a major city (NYC / SF / etc) it should be possible until at 35 or so given people stay single longer and delay having kids longer.
Not sure what else to say, people have always locked down their friend groups by late 20s but in today's era where probably 30-40% of people have no idea how to interact socially (i.e. internet driven) the pool is even smaller. It's tough
Join some online gaming groups or play more computer games
Yeah I agree - I know a lot of people in the poker community and stay in touch on Insta, Discord, and Twitch as well as seeing them on the tables. I broke up with my last girlfriend and definitely do not feel lonely. Cheers.
Maybe it’s just okay
ive gotten a. Lot quieter as I get older
Somewhat the same - any idea why?
You become a highly functioning alcoholic/coke head/user of hookers until you either (i) get laid off and can no longer afford your "copes" or (ii) you hit bottom and seek help.
Send memes to friends and see who responds. It can spark conversation, and restarting friendships from a place of humor is always good.
Otherwise, I would suggest doing something artistic in a public space, like writing in a coffee shop. It sounds like you're worried you've become a less interesting person, so it would be good to start flexing certain creative muscles while in environments with a lot of strangers. You'll become comfortable in crowded environments, and you'll find that you do have interesting things to say.
Add a more international perspective.
My parents were diplomats from a South Asian country. Not a rich place, but we're upper class nominally. Came to America, for the dream, and have achieved it with great effort and a bit of luck. Citizen now, and the rest is history. Don't regret coming here financially, or in most 'vectors' of life.
Where do I feel remorse? Social Bonds, Community. The sense of a greater family. The US doesn't have it. It's questionable if many other developed regions still have it as well, but its acutely bad here. For many reasons a few of them I'll try to describe.
1. Weak bonds. Family as a concept, while it existed in the US a while ago, has never been as strong as the tribal, clan, and ethnic bonds in many other locations. You guys don't have a true extended family, by in large, and it makes life difficult. You can't get rid of your blood relatives. They often times will be your only safety net. Americans, particularily multi-gen anglo white americans, in many cases, don't have this any more.
2. A communal feeling. Doesn't exist here either. It just doesn't. No nice plazas where families just hang out. You wake up in a box, drive to a box to work, or work from your living box. You go to a box to workout, and back home to sleep in your box. Box to Box, all day, everyday. Some cities are ok, but upper middle class careers are being squeezed a bit here, so there isn't a template perhaps, like there was a decade or 2 ago.
3. Social skills are less prominent among younger people today. Inviting your neighbor and his kids over for coffee and a friendly tennis match? Seems less common than before.
4. Anglo culture. Doesn't incentivice family in the same way. Compare white americans to Jewish americans, and the sense of community is literally so much larger in the latter group. A very peachy culture where people are nominally friendly outside, but hard to get to know. This isn't anyones fault. It's just the way this society bleeds into people.
The above, and a few other factors, makes it hard to have a 'home base' in the US. Sure you have your college buddies, but get a demanding job, move cities, and 3 years later, if you didn't make time for them..they're now strangers.
I don't know what the solution is other than to just keep trying. Keep pushing my brother. The struggle today is less than it was in the past.
For the younger guys here. Make an effort to keep your pre-25 friends. That's when its easiest to make friends, and keeping old contacts is easier than building new ones. Post 30, you need to go Temujin/Monke Khan/Subatai/Mongol Empire level of intensity in order to build a social circle here. It's just what it is.
Keep killing it brother. Hope it works out, earnestly.
Also an immigrant from an Asian country — you nailed it. The U.S. does not treat family and the community the way that Asian cultures do
this isn’t trying to poop on the U.S., I love most things here as well. And I wish we had that same culture here, it’s just sad that’s not the case. Even friendship is not often as strong here, you have to be way more deliberate to make strong bonds and even then the chances of reciprocation are not high
Agreed, and sometimes I wonder why it has to be this way.
I'm going to poop on america a bit, but it does seem like making friends isn't really a process here like it is in other places. 1 invites 2 for dinner, than 2 invites 1 for drinks, then 1 invites 2 and his family over for dinner, and etc... It doesn't seem to happen this way here. Even in NYC/DC/SF, it's really just 'high, hello by by'. All my closest friends are from college, and my first 2 years professionally, literally have not met a friend friend, since.
Heard people from other cultures / countries have an easier time making friends with people? Which places are like this?
Thinking Europe could be good for expats
How about finding a job outside of finance?
Isn’t it interesting that in the pursuit of something “great” we can destroy ourselves by means of just becoming? PM’d
Sounds typical for a person in the field
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