Dirk Vs Lebron the reason
The reason why Dirk is the man can be found here
He says "Nowitzki explained his decision not to pursue endorsements to Bloomberg by saying, "I always wanted to be a basketball player. Nothing more, nothing less."
and the reason why Lebron is trash can be found here
after the game he says
"All the people that were rooting on me to fail, at the end of the day they have to wake up tomorrow and have the same life that they had before they woke up today. They have the same personal problems they had today. I'm going to continue to live the way I want to live and continue to do the things that I want to do with me and my family and be happy with that. So they can get a few days or a few months or whatever the case may be on being happy about not only myself, but the Miami Heat not accomplishing their goal. But they got to get back to the real world at some point."
pathetic, simply pathetic.
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LeDouche is right in one sense, but it's still a narcissistic thing to say, and he sounds like a jerk. America will never truly get behind an athlete with those characteristics, no matter how many rings he wins in the future.
LOL@ the comments.
Here's something to think about:
LeBron managed to hit the UNDER (Vegas-odds) in all six games. I'm talking about the personal OVER/UNDER assigned to him by Vegas oddsmakers. The statistical chances of that happening are 1.56%.
Maybe there was more at work than meets the eye. A player couldn't guarantee six consecutive OVERs, but he could certainly guarantee a statistically implausible six consecutive UNDERs.
This is freaking hilarious.
I need to know what "huge money" is so I can quantify how hilarious it actually is.
That presumes those odds were correct in the first place. Maybe people tend to overestimate him, in which case it's greater than the 1.56%...
You could certainly make that argument, but Vegas isn't often wrong. And certainly never six games in a row.
If you're a LeBron hater, this article will have you pissing your pants laughing:
http://deadspin.com/5811396/
[quote=Edmundo Braverman]If you're a LeBron hater, this article will have you pissing your pants laughing:
http://deadspin.com/5811396/[/quote] I'm glad Cocksucker just appeared on my monitor in size 900 font haha
As great of a talent Lebron is he is nowhere near Dirk when it comes to class.
If I were Lebron I would use this loss to refocus on baskeball and come kill it next season. He never seems to look hungry. Look at Kobe and you see that shit. I swear he's just wasting god-given talents. It actually pisses me off. We all know that when Lebron is firing on all cylinders he's unstoppable...I just wish we get to see him reach his full potential.
He choked like he always does. I couldn't have been happier for Dirk and JKidd for getting their rings. Jason Terry is also another person who deserved this...
LOL @ LeBron. The last three games were supremely entertaining and I didn't wake up to any major problems or disappointments that I can think of. Jet's shot in his James' grill to cap off Game 5 is one of the biggest Final's highlights ever.
"Now, if he were the kind of person to sit at the podium after losing a game and say, 'I really thought we were the better team, but we lost and we're gonna have to go back and work on it until we get it right, and I wish I hadn't been such a dipshit before,' all that fun would instantly go away"...lmfao
Thanks for the link, I just love the idea of LeBrick calling himself a dipshit.
I don't see the deal between Lebron and Dirk.
Lebron is a better basketball player but still doesn't know how to handle tough situations. The fact that one takes endorsement, the other doesn't has not nothing to do with the persona.
Michael Jordan has to be the biggest douche on earth, and yet he is admired by almost everyone because he succeeded. The rest is worthless.
Funny I think is that Lebron is considered a choke artist the same it was for Dirk couple years ago. Nash has been also considered a choke artist, along with Charles Barkley and Karl Malone.
You are an idiot.
Jordan demanded excellence and perfection from his teammates. He exemplified this perfection every day in practice and on the court, during the season and during the summer (even after a title). That is why he is "admired" because his determination and motivation to succeed are unparalleled.
LeBron doesn't demand perfection. He believes he, Dwyane, and Bosh were entitled to "not one, two, three" or wtf titles he thinks he will win on the basis that three previous superstars joined forces on one team.
There is no precedent for what LeBron is doing. I think he will win more than one championship. He is carving a path that no other athlete has ever tried while being a lightning rod for criticism. He will change as a result of this season. People think he is a choke artist because he has been so far! It's literally undeniable when you look at the statistics. Dirk proved us wrong...whereas Malone et al did not. LeBron will have to prove us wrong to not be considered a choke artist.
Dude, you're an idiot. How can you say Steve Nash is a choke artist? Aside from Chris Paul, he's the one player who does everything for his team and without him they wouldnt have been anywhere near the WCF in any years they got there.
In fact the Suns would have had at least 2 championships (2005 and 2007) if things had gone their way and we would be discussing Steve Nash as a top 5 point guard of all time. The Suns are pretty damn unlucky when it comes to the postseason and none of that is on Nash. Granted he's not a great defender but is that all? Does he have to be a great defender? Wasnt Gary Payton a great defender (perhaps the best PG on both ends) but he didnt have a ring in his prime? Does that make him a choke artist?
So cut that bullshit that Steve Nash is a choke artist.
It all comes back to "The Decision." Nobody hated the guys you mention for choking. Jordan may be a douche, but he never acted like it in public.
I would say if you followed Jordan around today he definitely can be douchey. Jordan didn't have to worry about the internet's presence, twitter and all the other stuff LeBron does. If LeBron doesn't leave a hefty tip at a restaurant, it's reported on the front page of USA Today. There was a lot that Jordan did that would have been covered totally different today.
MJ can be douchey, and he was known as a big trash talker - but he didn't over-promise and under-deliver. And he's smart enough to know when to shut his mouth and not escalate bad situations. Remember when he cheated on his wife? I don't think many people do, and if they do, they didn't care then and they don't care now. Why? Because he didn't bring attention to it. And because when he did speak, he let his game do the talking - because he's a basketball player first and foremost and that's his job, which he does well without equal in his era - so there's nothing to criticize him on.
Sure, in this era, I'm sure if MJ said something controversial or insulting to his fans, it'll last a lot longer than pre-internet days, but ultimately people won't really give two fucks if the guy is out there playing to the best of his ability and transcending his game in the face of adversity.
What LBJ really needs to do - both to clean up his image (because fans' memories are short anyway) and improve his game - is to take a slice of humble pie and work on his game over the summer. And stop f'king promising N number of championships when you haven't even gotten one. He keeps his mouth shut, and let his game do the talking, then people won't have any more reasons to talk (other than bring up his past mistakes).
Agree with Labron. Is it people's job nowadays to just shit on someone all the time. Sure he is paid a lot so he should be great, but getting to the finals is not a small feat and I still think he played pretty well. Many have to understand that Labron was a half point guard this series (coaching decision). I don't really like Labron but i respect his talent and for people to shit on the dude like there is no tomorrow because he lost in game 6 of the finals isn't fair in my mind.
Perhaps, but I can't see MJ doing the decision or that Nike commercial follow-up. He had a killer instinct that LeBron will probably never have. It could be because LeBron was always expected to be the greatest whereas MJ grew into that distinction.
You hit the nail on the head. MJ always had to prove himself until he starting winning championships. LeBron was on the cover of Sports Illustrated as "The Chosen One" at age 17.
+1 - He bought into his own hype
Look I totally agree that Jordan was better, hungrier and tougher than James. The thing is James is at the end of the day another play.er If he does well, so what, if he doesn't, so what?
We are just too obsessed about people's life; their character, their mental make-up. Does all that really matter?
The fact that Lebron is a diva, or Kobe used to be a diva, that Jordan is a douche shouldn't be such a deal. I think people are focusing too much on the gossips when a game is being played.
@Bossman, we are not shitting on him because he lost game 6. We are shitting on him because he is an egotistical asshole and just told most of the public that his life is so much better than everyone elses and he doesnt give a shit what they think about him.
aka let them eat cake.
Hmmm....I sure wouldn't care what people think....I fail many times and if i cared every time what people thought about it I would not be able to succeed later. I don't blame him for that.
I admit he's done some arrogant things (with media's help) and so people go crazy over that, but as many people here mentioned, Do we have nothing better to do, but compare player's lives and words and so on. He's a basketball player, so i don't expect him to answer for his words like the President of US would.
Kinda painful to watch but pretty hilarious too
I remember the good old days when players where liked for their aptitude on the field, not because they are some saints.
People defending LeBron or coming in with the "stop worrying about another man's life" bullshit are pathetic. Are you on this man's payroll? Seriously? Or are you a fucking imbecile?
Also, you can't argue that we should ignore LeBron's character when he fucking throws it up front of us in the most absurd ways possible (i.e. The Decision, stupid bullshit childish post-game comments, saying it would be easy to win multiple titles, etc.) If he didn't put himself out there in stupid fucking ways, he'd be a lot better off.
Agreed. I usually don't care about stuff but when it's constantly thrown in your face, how can you not care? I'm French and I didn't care Ribery got caught with an underage prostitute. I cared the moment he sabotaged the team during the World Cup and acted like it was his birthright.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS.
I was so annoyed with that tacky party the Heat threw when they signed James, Wade, and Bosh, acting like they'd be some unstoppable force of nature.
Um, no...you're people, who need to play well with other people (because basketball is a team sport), if you want that championship win.
I like Chris Bosh, though...he's nice...but he's also from Dallas. It's Wade and James that annoy me the most.
Superb article on Grantland about this btw: http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/6655966/lebron-exquisite-corpse
It's weird how annoying Wade has grown. I loved the 06 Heat with Shaq, Zo, Payton and J-Will. He's become completely obnoxious over the years however. His posturing after every single play he makes is ridiculous. My favorite moment of the '09-'10 season was a game in Miami where Wade put the Heat up by 2 with 0.6 seconds left and was running around like he was God's gift to Miami. Pierce inbounds to Rondo who tips it in and the Celts pound the Heat in overtime, in Miami. The face on Wade, the faces in the crowd...
Agree on Wade and think that Bosh has proven, somehow, to be likable. Bosh is apparently a smart dude who played pretty well in the series (including a game winning shot.) On top of that, he didn't need a buddy with him during the post-game presser last night.
They interview together like women going to the bathroom together in the club... ridiculous.
Its simple, MJ had a chip on his shoulder that made him strive to be the best. LBJ can never live up to his hype because its not possible for any human to live upto the hype that he had.
I could never say anything bad about Wade because he was one of two players (the other AI) on the 2004 Olympic team who actually played hard. The rest of the team were primadonnas and they got steamrolled as a result, but you could see Wade still cared and played tough even when the other team had the game in the bag.
The anti-LeBron bullshit is just getting to absurd levels. Here is LeBron's career regular season line: 27.7/7.1 RPG/7.0 APG, here is his postseason career line: 28.0 PPG/8.4 RPG/7.0 APG. So his career playoff line is as good as or better than his career regular season line, yet somehow he gets labeled as "unclutch". Does anyone even believe in this "clutch" nonsense anymore? It's obviously been disproven in baseball and the studies say pretty much the same thing in basketball.
Simply put, LeBron is better than Dirk. He was better in the regular season (which is by far the best measure 82 games vs. 20), he was better in the playoffs (3.8 win shares to 3.6 in the same amount of games), and he was better last night (far better). If the Heat had won that series, then the media would have effusively praised the Heat's role players as their catalysts to victory, but in losing, all the blame somehow goes to one player. I mean, how ridiculous is it to ascribe wins and losses to individual players in a team sport?
LeBron is the best player in the game, and thus will be hated. I agree he has not handled his image well at all, but that has absolutely no bearing on the quality of player he is.
Since youre bringing up all of the stats why dont you look at his all time finals (when the games matter the most) averages. Not as impressive. During the game last night they showed a graphic with MJ, Magic, Kobe and Lebron in their first 9 finals games and the stats werent even close with Jordan dominating.
And this is the stat of the series: Final five minutes of games in finals with the score within 5 points:
Dirk 26, LeBron 0
Lebron is not the best player in basketball. What an absurd statement. How he handles his image is most certainly a function of the quality player he is. If he were playing to his satisfaction and winning championships he wouldn't approach the game with the type of disdainful attitude that he carries with him. Oh and "clutch" is extremely important in all sports, it means PERFORMING YOUR BEST WHEN IT MATTERS, not giving a series some piss poor attempt and hoping your teammates pick up your slack. Bottom line is that if LBJ can't win with an allstar squad and support from a team like Miami, then it's pretty obvious that he needs to work on aspects of his game to best opponents in the post-season.
Basketball is a TEAM SPORT, individual players don't win championships, teams do. The better team won the series, in a small sample size of 6 games at that. That's like saying Albert Pujols isn't the best player in baseball because he's only won 1 World Series in his 11 years. "Clutch" doesn't exist, and when people try and define it they often do so to narrowly fit their own means. Would yesterdays elimination game be clutch? Because LeBron had 21 points on a sparkling 9-15 shooting whereas Dirk also had 21 points on a horrendous 9-27 shooting. Whether his points came in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter makes absolutely no difference. If Dirk didn't suck so much in the first quarter the game wouldn't have even been close and no one would have cared about his shots with six minutes to go in the fourth. Shooting 33.3% from the field hurts your team terribly, especially from the PF position, which is expected to sit around 48-50%.
As for your other point, what the hell are you talking about saying LeBron's not the NBA's best player? He's led the league in win shares each of his last 3 seasons, and should have won MVP this year easily (maybe CP3 could have claim to sneak in). Not only is he the best player in the NBA, it's not even close, no one can touch him. The guy averaged 26.7 PPG on 51% shooting from the SF position, while somehow getting 7.5 RPG and 7.0 APG, that's just unreal, and he does it every year. To put that in context, Dirk, who is a great player, has NEVER scored that many PPG in a season, ONLY ONCE shot that high a FG%, DID NOT OUTREBOUND that this year despite playing PF, and has never come within 3.5 APG of that.
Lebron hate is way overblown
I agree with status_quo people just like to hate people for no real reason these days. It time to take the higher road and even if Lebron does something or acts a certain way don't sink to his level.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/9NHRD10DmCc
"The word is asked not axed, its asked...you asshole" hahahaha
Anyone that argues that clutch doesn't exist and that a finals game is no different from any other playoff game or game in general is a retard who is denying the fact that pressure exists.
Sports are not played in a vacuum and outcomes are not determined by Excel spreadsheets.
Also, with regards to stats. When judging basketball players, stats paint a picture, but they are complementary to what you see on the court and what actually happens in games. Unlike baseball, in which players are essentially playing a one-man sport in every at-bat, basketball is a true team game in which every player on the court is acting dynamically to affect the game.
If I recall correctly, there was some high-and-mighty stats-geek recently who claimed that the most clutch player who he would have take a last-second game winning shot attempt over ANYONE ELSE was fucking Donyell Marshall. Why? Because the stats show he has the highest % chance of coming through. Do you know why this is complete and utter retarded bullshit? Do you know why Kobe Bryant should be chosen over fucking Donyell Marshall when the game is on the line? Because a guy like Kobe Bryant will best get into position to hit the game winning shot, will have the greatest desire to rip the other team's heart out, and will have absolutely no fear in doing so. If the game were played out on an Excel spreadsheet, you'd pick a guy like Donyell Marshall to hit a game winning shot, but in real life, you go with Kobe because he will give you the absolute best chance at getting a good shot off, and he is the most likely guy to actually follow through and hit it, despite the pressure of the moment and the defense.
Stats in a vacuum are worthless in basketball.
PS It looks great on him.
A truly absurd stat on Jordan that I saw was as follows:
His all-time Finals PPG average (over like 36 finals games) was 33.6. Over his first 10 finals games, he averaged 33.8.
LeBron through 10 finals games has averaged 17.1 PPG.
But, yeah, LeBron is as clutch as it gets.
At my BB, we often use the Doucher Name equation in models, calculated as:
=IF(AND(LeBronJames=$douche, ShiaLaBeouf=$douche),”Double LeDouche”,"still fucking gay")
I'm thinking this is the best thing to ever happen to him. He needed to be humbled and I hope the outcome of this series has lit a fire under his ass (although judging by his post-game press conference, it hasn't...). To be honest, I don't see how he didn't learn his lesson after getting assraped by San Antonio and getting swept 4-0 back when he was in Cleveland...
He has been humbled many times in the finals... not exactly sure when he will learn...
Refresher: http://www.82games.com/1011/CSORT11.HTM
LeBron was 4th in the NBA in clutch situations, and one of the people ahead of him was Mo Williams who was only in the situation 11 times all season, so really he was third. He then dominated in "clutch" situations against the Celtics and the Bulls, and then because he has a couple bad/average 4th quarters against the best team in the NBA he is suddenly "unclutch"? That is absolute nonsense. Also, this data is a pretty clear indication as to the "clutch" factor being overblown, besides Mo Williams (who only was in 11 clutch situations), here are the top 5 most "clutch" scorers in the NBA this year: Kobe Bryant, Derrick Rose, LeBron James, Monta Ellis, and Kevin Durant. Sounds an awful lot LIKE A LIST OF THE BEST OVERALL SCORERS, which is exactly what you would expect. The best scorers in the NBA are also the best scorers in "clutch" situations, which confirms the scientifically proven idea that players perform the same in the "clutch" as they do in other situations.
I bet many of you would say Dirk is a "clutch" player, and more specifically he was "clutch" in this series. Well in the 4th quarter in the series he shot 17-33, which is good for a 51.5 FG%. Do you know what he shot during the regular season? 51.7 FG%. So he had the same goddamn shooting percentage in the 4th quarter as he always does, yet he is somehow clutch.
So let me get this straight. Youre arguing that Lebron is "clutch" and then you bring up the point of Dirk, saying he is not clutch because he shot 51.7% in the 4th quarter of the finals? What was Lebrons FG percentage in the 4th quarter in the finals? It certainly wasnt 51.7%. If you didnt see this (or any of the other stats in the argument): Dirk had 26 points when the game was within 5 points with 5 or less minutes left in the game during the finals. Lebron had 0. How can you possibly defend that and say he is more clutch than Dirk? The finals is where champions come up big. Lebron didnt. Sports arent a vacuum. Making a shot to win game 32 of the regular season is way less important than making a shot to win game 5 of the finals, but your math doesnt show that at all
You are stating my points incorrectly. "Clutch" does not exist, players perform the same in "clutch" situations as they do in any other situation across a large enough sample size. I reference LeBron as being the 4th best "clutch" scorer and the top 5 to be arguably 5 of the top 8/9 overall scorers in the NBA to prove my point. The point of Dirk shooting 51.5% in the 4th, which is the same as his 51.7% in the regular season to show that he was the same in the 4th quarter (supposedly a clutch situation) as he was during the regular season.
"Making a shot to win game 32 of the regular season is way less important than making a shot to win game 5 of the finals." This is an unfair comparison because you are comparing across different contexts. Put another way, making a shot in the 1st quarter of game 5 finals is EQUALLY important as making a hypothetical game winning shot (which in actuality wouldn't exist because you would already be up by 2).
All you are quite hilarious. How precious little most of know about basketball and it's history. Go look up what they called Magic Johnson in 1984. Go look up...well hell I'll paste it:
Largest Dropoff in PPG Regular Season to NBA Finals
2010-11 LeBron James -8.9 1963-64 Wilt Chamberlain -7.7 1971-72 Jerry West -6.0 1986-87 Kevin McHale -5.6 1980-81 Moses Malone -5.4 >Min. 25 PPG during regular season
Look at the names on this list! Look at the names on it! Mr. Clutch, NBA Logo Jerry West himself, along with 3 other hall of famers (and top 50 players of all time) not named Lebron James. Sit back a minute and ask yourself how old was MJ when he won his first? And how old is LBJ?
Regarding "The Decision": His contract was up, he moved to another team, and announced it on television. Period. Those are facts. He did that which he had a right to do. God forbid that...the exercising of our rights in whatever manner we see fit. Who the hell are we to do that? Because that's way worse when NBA franchises that trade/cut players and let them find out about it via ESPN. Who the hell is he to change his place of employement?! God forbid if everyone who works in law and financial services jumped ship whenever it was most advantageous for them!
God forbid telling the truth about people who are rooting for you to fail. Do me a favor and let me know if any portion of his statement was false. Just let me know. The man choked. That he did. But the fact remains that everyone who was giddy as hell watching him implode, woke up the next morning and if they had a shitty marriage, it remained shitty. If they were failing some class they were still failing it. Nothing in they're life changed despite all of the energy they wasted hating Lebron. Maybe all those people hating on him should appropriate that energy to the cause of getting a bank account with a tenth of his weekend money in it. But hey, you wouldn't feel the same way as him right? You wouldn't try to pwn all the monday-morning-quarterbacks who throw a great deal of hate in you're direction, that is, if you were successful enough to be in his shoes. What a dumb guy who clearly can't do anything right which is evidenced of course by his two MVPs and 9 figure networth....what an ignorant fool!
Wake up damnit! The fact of the matter is that, right now, he's probably getting his dick sucked by a bitch who's 9 times hotter than any bitch you've had a wet dream about...just sayin
This is foolish. He's a professional athlete. If other people want to view him a role, he cannot be held responsible for letting those people down. He did not ask them to view him as a role model. People need to get that through their heads. I thought that issue was settled in the 90's with Charles Barkley. He gets paid play basketball not to be role model for kids whose parents allow them to idolize a man they've never met. I don't know about you guys, but when I was kid (alla Derrick Rose) my role models in life were my parents. He wasn't responding to criticism with that answer by the way. If you watched the press conference that answer was in response to someone asking him how he felt about the fact that people were rooting for him to fail. Not about how he felt about criticism of the games he played. Wanting someone to fail isn't criticism...it's just being douchy. God forbid he reciprocate douchiness by stating a set of facts. Again, let me know when anything in that response of his turns out to be false. I'm waiting. Was it false? So what he responded to hate by stating a set of facts. Is that not what he did?
Nobody's arguing LeBron doesn't have the right to be a douchebag. But there's a reason no one had ever done a one hour special to announce what franchise they were going to. That's because it's retarded.
And as far as LeBron's post-game comments, things are going great for me right now, or at least definitely better than for LeBron. Seeing him and Wade fail was just icing on the cake.
@back that thang up:
The defense that LeBron is "getting his dick sucked" by a "hotter girl than we'll ever get" is not a defense. It has nothing to do with him being a douche bag piece of shit with no self-reflection abilities. You clown.
Also, it's pretty fucking homo for you to be defending him in this way.
"U JUST JELLY CUZ LEBRON GET DAT MONEY AND FUCK DIME PIECES. U MAD?" - This is what you sound like, you retard.
Was that the extent of my defense? Did I say it was a defense? I was simply stating was probably is the case to reiterate the "If you hate me, too bad bc neither your life or my life changes whatsoever on a day to day basis bc I failed." comment by LBJ. I fail to see how it's douchy to respond to hate by stating a set of facts.
http://ca.deadspin.com/5811983/german-newspaper-credits-dirk-first-whit…
Quote: First white MVP defeats Ghetto Basketball...no lie.
Lol. They must think being South African disqualifies you from being white. Just when you thought Germans were a trustworthy bunch...
edit: That website is blocked at work so I'm going to hope they meant Finals MVP in which case that is correct. But Germans still give me the creeps.
umm, the headline reads: "First White MVP Since Larry Bird," With Defeating "Ghetto Basketball"
and I just read the article - it's about many American players being "undereducated", i.e. Lebron who never went to college in order to work on his weaknesses. Basically it makes the point that in the NBA ever since Jordan teams were built around central "super stars", examples include Iverson, Bryant etc instead of fine-tuned team work.
It adds that typically players with a european background have a very different apporach, therefore calls this a "war of systems".
Case in point: Heat threw together 3 super stars and relied on them to win the title. Mavericks grew as a team over time and were able to overcome the (superior) individual talent on the Heat sqaud - and as it happens, Mavericks are a very "european" team by NBA standards, with 2 players having a french background, 1 a serbian and 1 a german.
Actually, pretty interesting article.
I'd say the Mavs winning had a lot more to do with being a deeper team, having guys like Barea, Terry, even Cardinal, whereas the Heat's supporting cast, I'm looking at you Bibby, Chalmers, and Miller, absolutely sucked.
Well maybe this explains the enchantment of many. Maybe it is good to see these blacks not winning for once. Anyway, I find it always disturbing that people are trying to put other qualities to sports athletes. They are and should be judged on the field/court.
Many on this board have never played competitive sports. I can tell because when you play sports you pick the best player on your team no matter their background, however, here and many other websites, people are just obsessed by the athletes background, interests and personal flaws.
LeBron reminds me of an overprivileged kid. Throughout his life, since he's so natural gifted/talented, he's been able to skate through on pure talent with minimal effort and as a result is used to having things come easily to him. The problem with this, however, is that the minute he faces resistance, its hard to break through that since he's so used to his natural ability dominating. When he couldn't do it alone in Cleveland, he decided to move to the Heat and figured that his talent combined with a couple of other stars should allow him to break through the adversity with minimal effort. Frankly, through the first 3 games or so of the Finals, it looked to be the case, but everything changed in game (I believe it was 4, or was it 3?). After they literally choked away that game, LeBron wasn't the same. And I really think that its because he realized that it wasn't going to be that easy and that skating by on ones own gifts wasn't going to be enough at this level.
So now, I think this is the real turning point for LeBron. He should have woken up a long time ago in Cleveland, but his fans/the media kept harping on his teammates and he believed all that hype. But now, there are literally no excuses, and hopefully now he realizes just how much work he'll need to put in to become a champion regardless of what team he's given. If he starts putting the work in now, the Heat are going to be unstoppable because LeBron at his best is absolutely insane, and couple that with an on-point D-Wade and solid numbers from Bosh, and they're untouchable. However, since there is no easy road now (unless he demands that CP3 or Dwight Howard move to Miami as well), if he doesn't put in the effort, I don't think he'll ever win a ring despite how good he is.
@back that thang up:
What "set of facts" did LeBron respond with? That people have miserable lives and are jealous of him? How are these facts? I'm very happy and do not envy a life without integrity or self-awareness. But, ok, if you say so.
Why are you defending idiotic actions and statements? Are you on his payroll?
Set of facts: Lebron James choking in the finals does not change the day to day reality for all the people who were rooting against him. Fact. That's what he said. Note that the comments he made about people's personal problems were expressed as a contingency...if you had them before he lost, then you have them now. He not saying everyone who hates him has personal problems. Kudos for you having a good life, not his haters are so lucky.
Comments like this and others you've made in this thread prove that you are a complete and total idiot. The whole "people that criticize me are just haters, mad cause i got money and bitches and they dont" argument is idiotic non-sense. The only people that truly believe that tripe are morons incapable of true self-reflection.
The only thing worse than immature morons like LeBron who believe they are entitled to success, try to take the easy way out when faced with hardship, and who think that they are better than others because of their wealth are drones like you that defend their bullshit for no benefit.
Fucking worthless cunt.
False! What about the people who bet huge money that he would fail. There must be a material difference in their life for the better because LBJ failed.
Oh wait, I just realized...you're a fucking idiot. I'm done here.
Hahaha you're fucking hilarious.
This is hilarious. Dollar store 99 Cents Only is offering a discount to Texas residents thanks to LeBron. Everything in the store is 75 cents "when you don't have the 4th quarter."
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110615-710555.html
[quote=Edmundo Braverman]This is hilarious. Dollar store 99 Cents Only is offering a discount to Texas residents thanks to LeBron. Everything in the store is 75 cents "when you don't have the 4th quarter."
http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110615-710555.html[/quote]
LOL
back that thang up:
It is implied implicitly in the post-game comments he made and it is the crux of your entire defense of LBJ. As shown in your "LBJ is getting his dick sucked by hotter girls than you ever will" defense.
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