If you think it is a bubble are you shorting anything?? Any Michael Burrys in the chat?
"If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life. There are no limits. There are only plateaus, and you must not stay there, you must go beyond them." - Bruce Lee
No, but I'm trying to limit my exposure to AI-adjacent stocks. Tough to do when you're not a sophisticated investor and you're PA is mostly indices, since those are like what? 35-40% AI bubble stocks?
No, but I'm trying to limit my exposure to AI-adjacent stocks. Tough to do when you're not a sophisticated investor and you're PA is mostly indices, since those are like what? 35-40% AI bubble stocks?
It's tough to invest in or short. So many of the companies are completely non-public, and most of the rest are wrapped up in big firms that have something else as 90% of their revenue. What are you going to do? Short Nvidia? good luck, and I hope that you're praying for a slump in crypto and video gaming too.
beyond that you have to deal with the cost. I used to joke that our ETF with the highest dividend yield invested in non-dividend paying stocks. We could only lend out 30% per law but we were making about 5% of AUM annually from the absolute crap we had sitting on the balance sheet.
The only difference between Asset Management and Investment Research is assets.
I generally see somebody I know on TV on Bloomberg/CNBC etc. once or twice a week. This sounds cool, until I remind myself that I see somebody I know on ESPN five days a week.
Yes - at this point, though, I'm just calling all of these bull markets until they aren't. Same with metals - which I know quite well, as it's bleeding red today - silly me.
Shorting it? That's a fools errand IMO, there's not much pure play and while it sounds great to short all the large tech giants who are spending like drunken sailors... they all have real businesses, massive institutional ownership, and an administration that's in their pocket. You REALLY think that a 20% downdraft in the QQQ's won't be met with some type of relief? Maybe 25+ year depreciation schedules and at cost buybacks of aged out hardware at original cost? Joking - clearly.
Can AI write good code? Usually, no. Can it code, yeah - to most people that’s what matters, if you’re looking for some assistance to tweak a VBA script ChatGPT will do a pretty good job. At FAANG level it might replace some very entry level positions but who knows, maybe it’ll get better. Code is actually one of the only things it can do pretty well by data scraping your GitHub, stack overflow, etc - way harder in financial services as data isn’t public.
Y but that’s the wrong question to ask. Bubbles are a feature of the speculation (confidence) - contraction (correction) cycle and it’s futile to simply identify them. The game is in trying to call the top and make money when the tides turn.
So is AI a bubble? Duh, when you look at the cash requirements needed to return all the capital that has been invested across the entire ecosystem, there’s no way in hell AI companies get there *in time*. Maybe in 50 years? Sure. But as father time knows, the market is not that patient, in fact in most major cycles you have maybe a good 8-9 years to figure it out before investors start asking for their money back — or when rates go up high enough, whichever comes first.
My uneducated old head hunch is guest is that if Dems take the White House in ‘28, there will be much less “friendly” investment environment, and lord knows what the state of the economy will be by then. Do I think the AGI fairy god mother will rain down trillions of cash in return by then to make good on all the cash going down the AI drain today? No, absolutely not. You can either wait out the mania, or try to find a way to make some money between now and then, and I’m in the second boat personally l
It isn’t a bubble. It is just a lot of companies with no path to profits valued as if they already have AWS margins on unlimited demand with a technology base that can’t do what they claim it can.
i do not think most of these new, smaller companies will be able to make enough money selling services which are just one of the main AI's with a little twist, due to the token system. i think there is gonna be a wave of ppl thinking they can, causing a lot of failed businesses
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If you think it is a bubble are you shorting anything?? Any Michael Burrys in the chat?
No, but I'm trying to limit my exposure to AI-adjacent stocks. Tough to do when you're not a sophisticated investor and you're PA is mostly indices, since those are like what? 35-40% AI bubble stocks?
It's tough to invest in or short. So many of the companies are completely non-public, and most of the rest are wrapped up in big firms that have something else as 90% of their revenue. What are you going to do? Short Nvidia? good luck, and I hope that you're praying for a slump in crypto and video gaming too.
beyond that you have to deal with the cost. I used to joke that our ETF with the highest dividend yield invested in non-dividend paying stocks. We could only lend out 30% per law but we were making about 5% of AUM annually from the absolute crap we had sitting on the balance sheet.
Yes - at this point, though, I'm just calling all of these bull markets until they aren't. Same with metals - which I know quite well, as it's bleeding red today - silly me.
Shorting it? That's a fools errand IMO, there's not much pure play and while it sounds great to short all the large tech giants who are spending like drunken sailors... they all have real businesses, massive institutional ownership, and an administration that's in their pocket. You REALLY think that a 20% downdraft in the QQQ's won't be met with some type of relief? Maybe 25+ year depreciation schedules and at cost buybacks of aged out hardware at original cost? Joking - clearly.
Y - The idea of AI writing code on a large scale and replacing workers...a myth. Technology is simply a tool, that's how I think of it as.
Can AI write good code? Usually, no. Can it code, yeah - to most people that’s what matters, if you’re looking for some assistance to tweak a VBA script ChatGPT will do a pretty good job. At FAANG level it might replace some very entry level positions but who knows, maybe it’ll get better. Code is actually one of the only things it can do pretty well by data scraping your GitHub, stack overflow, etc - way harder in financial services as data isn’t public.
Pretty sure stocks only go up
Just got stuck behind a Waymo in an Uber and the thing nearly backed up into my Uber. It was bugging out with no one in front of it.
So, yes.
Y but that’s the wrong question to ask. Bubbles are a feature of the speculation (confidence) - contraction (correction) cycle and it’s futile to simply identify them. The game is in trying to call the top and make money when the tides turn.
So is AI a bubble? Duh, when you look at the cash requirements needed to return all the capital that has been invested across the entire ecosystem, there’s no way in hell AI companies get there *in time*. Maybe in 50 years? Sure. But as father time knows, the market is not that patient, in fact in most major cycles you have maybe a good 8-9 years to figure it out before investors start asking for their money back — or when rates go up high enough, whichever comes first.
My uneducated old head hunch is guest is that if Dems take the White House in ‘28, there will be much less “friendly” investment environment, and lord knows what the state of the economy will be by then. Do I think the AGI fairy god mother will rain down trillions of cash in return by then to make good on all the cash going down the AI drain today? No, absolutely not. You can either wait out the mania, or try to find a way to make some money between now and then, and I’m in the second boat personally l
It isn’t a bubble. It is just a lot of companies with no path to profits valued as if they already have AWS margins on unlimited demand with a technology base that can’t do what they claim it can.
Yes, but there will emerge clear winners and losers....just not sure when
I don’t think it’s a bubble. Some of the companies might be overvalued, however.
If you think about the dot com bubble, the consensus was actually right on how life changing it would be. In fact, it probably wasn’t bullish enough.
It’s just really god damn hard to pick the right horse in these situations
i do not think most of these new, smaller companies will be able to make enough money selling services which are just one of the main AI's with a little twist, due to the token system. i think there is gonna be a wave of ppl thinking they can, causing a lot of failed businesses
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