Does finance hate fat people?
An investment banker friend of mine said being fat can actually cost you a promotion or your bonus, and that there’s a real stigma in finance if you got a gut.
Truth or bs?
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Being overweight can cost you upwards mobility at any job, and I'm sure it's the same with IB.
fucking masterful line lmfaoo
it's because of gravity, W = mg so upwards acceleration is slower
acceleration is still =g though
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"upwards"? lol ok
It should be
I can't think of a single fat analyst I ever met. I did know one intern, but he didn't get a return offer.
"if you cant take care of yourself, how can you take care of business" - what i heard a partner say
I agree with this to an extent. However, I somewhat look down on people who are in too good shape. My take is "how can you take care of business, if you're spending ALL your time taking care of yourself."
To give you a real life example, I'd rather work with the out of shape guy who eats at his desk than the guy doing a 1.5 hour workout every day. And when we're slammed...guess what...I need you to skip leg day. Taking care of yourself is a good sign but if working out is priority #1 and actually working is priority #2, that's sometimes not a great employee.
EDIT: Love the MS for taking a chip at this sacred cow.
as someone who prioritizes fitness over work I wear that like a badge of honor lol
I'd argue that people that work out are more productive workers. That guy spending 1.5 at the gym probably eats better, gets up earlier, has a shaper mind, and has more energy. I'd rather have that guy on my team than someone who can barely get out of bed in the morning, drags himself to work, eats bad, is always tired, struggles to think clearly, but they are at the desk 24/7.
I know plenty of fat MDs and associates that got fat after MBA
bank chungus...
Plenty of studies to corroborate this. Less attractive and/or overweight people tend to advance slower in their careers than their more attractive/fit counterparts, part of it has to do with how they are viewed by their peers and another aspect is self-esteem and how those individuals carry themselves.
out of all the reasons to not be fat, you chose an IB bonus as a deterrent? nevermind metabolic disorders, diabeetus, congestive heart failure, shortened life expectancy, depression, lack of mating options, poor immunity, and just generally feeling like shit.
you should want to be in good shape period, bonus or not
answering the question, I don't hate anybody, hate for me implies that I wish to murder them, and I don't feel that feeling. if you mean I think "this person lacks discipline due to their obviously lifestyle induced obesity" then yes I do think that, it's a heuristic, not correct 100% of the time but right more often than not. it's more probable that somebody with a fitness regimen will carry that discipline over to the workplace than a person who sits on their ass and stuffs their face with crap will be an absolute rockstar at work.
To hate someone is to "feel intense or passionate dislike for"
Come on bro, we all know how you feel about fat people.
Which is kind of BS to be frank, because if what you've told us is true - i.e. being able to maintain sub 8% body fat while working as a money manager - you probably couldn't get fat if you tried.
Have more compassion for the less genetically gifted.
BS tons of people in America are fat fat fat, yea some are not gifted but know what literally 100% of the ones I know do? They are lazy they do not work out or eat well, America did not used to be this way. Its not genetics for nearly everyone, its life choices.
If genetics was all it took then my parents wouldn't be obese (dad isn't anymore but was 70-100lbs overweight) and my biological brother would have a good body. I think genetics do play a part, but I've also been exercising consistently (4-6 days a week) for over 15 years. It's both and, not either or.
And I'm not talking about people that are just large build yet workout constantly, that's why heuristics aren't perfect, but I'd be willing to bet that people like Cain Velasquez (fat and avid exercisers) are far rarer than people who are fat and lazy
What's the point of making money if you're ugly and can't get sex??
thats the entire point of money
money covers ugliness
Great body, ok face
Remember a 3-4 years back when unconscious bias was a "thing" and we all had to go through those seminars? Don't lie, your company was on that bandwagon too :)
The lady that spoke to us - I think she was from Harvard - was very compelling and gave lots of good data. The one that stuck with me was that by & large the workplace has become more diverse and biases are on the decline. However, there are two that remain and don't seem to improve; data proves that there is still a workplace bias against two groups: fat people and people with disabilities.
I think I have been a recipient of that bias and its a very difficult thing to prove in either direction. So, yes, I think that there can be something to OPs notion that finance hates fat people - apparently a lot of industries do the same.
What's an example of the bias you've received and is it related to weight or disability?
Is it a stigma-- yes. Same reason the height of CEOs is disproportionally over 6' compared to the average male in our society.
Go read/watch Moneyball, thats what whole thing is about. They literally wouldn't draft a guy because he was fat or his girl friend was ugly.
However, at the end of the day, we like attractive people, that's how the games played. So you can ether argue with it, or try to change people's perception but probably not have any luck with it.
It wasn’t a big deal for Lewie Ranieri’s team. Performance counts more.
I disagree with the notion here that fat people are bad workers, and you cant take care of yourself means you cant take care of business. On the contrary, fat individuals are usually the hardest worker bees in the office. They arent generally hyper ambitious or driven (if they would they would take better care of themselves, and engage in activities that require such), but are perfect foot soldiers. The middle management type that are comfortable sitting at their desk all day and doing what needs to be done.
Edit: Nvm somewhat ambiguous.
Imo you shouldn’t have made it an original thought but w/e
the whole point of being in finance is so you can be as fugly as possible and still get laid+paid lmao
I think it depends on if you use it to your advantage or not.I made it in my career (from a non-target) because my man boobs are bigger than most hot blondes' giving me a leg up in winning clients, and these days, deals. As the saying goes "my milkshakes bring all the deals to the [ Hudson ] yard"
I'm curious if there is also subtle discrimination/bias against really skinny guys. Let's be honest - in finance, masculinity is the gold standard, so I'm guessing a really small, weak looking guy would be treated with some degree of disrespect. But then again, I guess it's hard to see muscle underneath a suit.
hence the importance of working out. While it obviously will never come to it - being able to walk into a business meeting and being able to kill everyone in the room with your bare hands presents a certain power dynamic beyond what you are trying to sell or job title.
Absolutely. I started working out a couple months ago and have gone from super skinny to having at least a decent build for someone of my height. I'll admit that a huge initial motivation was women, but what's funny is that I've grown to enjoy working out for myself, but more than that, the only attention I've been really getting is from other men lmao. So I've been gaining more respect just because I put on a bit more muscle. It's nice
What would you consider fat in the US?
Fat is fat
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