Farage is going to be the next UK PM
In local elections, the Conservatives have lost more than 600 seats — about two-thirds of all the seats they were defending — while Reform has gained roughly the same amount.
The BBC projected that if the results were extrapolated to a national vote share, Reform UK would have won 30 per cent, compared with Labour’s 20, the Liberal Democrats on 17, Conservatives on 15 and Greens on 11.
I think Farage is a pillock but it looks like Labour is finished.
What are everyone’s thoughts?
Great results for Reform, now that they have won another parliament seat, and also control of 10 councils in the north.
It definitely puts them in the spotlight now to deliver change for their communities, especially in tackling crime. They talk a lot, which has definitely given them backing from the public, but now they actually have the opportunity to act and better their areas/councils. People will be following those councils closely, as it could give a flavour of what the country could be like under the general rule of Reform, if they do win the general election.
It does seem more likely that reform will have a strong shot in the general election, but that will only be under more scrutiny now.
I like him but cannot see him winning outright, I see him as when David Cameron, won with the liberal democrats.
He'd have to muster a deal with the Tories, that could only happen with Robert Jenrick as leader. And if so, there's a likelihood that Reform would be a junior partner
The general election is still likely years away, so it's pointless to debate right now. Still, you also get much more organisation, voter turnout, and tactical voting for general elections. I wouldn't call anything right now, especially as Labour are likely frontloading their least popular policies.
I don't actually think the Reform wins are that surprising? I mean they've been polling first/second nationally for a while now...I think the more interesting narrative is how the UK is shifting towards a more European type of democracy; Lib Dems did relatively quite well too.
With that being said, I think a Reform/Tory coalition is probably where we are headed. I'm personally neutral on Farage, but I think his net-zero migration policy will naturally cause the country to head towards making real changes (like taking a good look at whether or not we can actually afford the NHS and a pension state), which I welcome. Part of the reason why we (IB/PE/HF professionals) get taxed to hell is so we can subsidise a growing pensioner class that disproportionately uses public services whilst propping up our own workforce with immigration (has its own challenges which have been debated to death).
With that being said, do not underestimate how much money Reform needs to raise to actually field candidates across all constituencies.
I hope they can pull through; I don't need them in government so much as I'd like them to be loud. A real conversation about national debt, dependency ratios and the welfare state would be a huge win for young people.
As I said before, the bigger takeaway is that we're entering multi-party politics. Lib Dems and Greens have been steadily ticking up too.
Well said. A Tory/Reform coalition wouldn’t be something I had on the cards a few years ago!
What do you mean by this for the non-EU monkeys?
The UK has historically operated under a 2-party system, with very few coalition governments. Currently, Labour and Reform hold similar amounts of the national vote, with the Tories right behind them. Lib Dems and Greens have been steadily growing their vote share over the last few months, too, and did quite well in the local elections.
The UK currently operates on an FPTP system, similar to the United States (Trump is president with less than 50% of the national vote, Labour have a 2/3 majority in the House of Commons and formed a government with 33% or so of the national vote).
Europeans tend to use more proportional voting measures; if you get around 20% of the vote, you get around 20% of the seats. This means they end up forming coalitions much more often. My message was referring to how the UK electorate is becoming more fractured, and FPTP may become increasingly redundant.
Dude you already know the answer, everyone here loves Reform. I like Reform. Just like Trump, you can call him an idiot, but people like his policies, Reform will win at the most and the least Reform/Tory coalition. Golden age of the UK incoming
Conservatives didn't "clinch" the red wall in 2019, they made minor inroads. Despite the north being socially conservative, the majority still despise anything aligned with the tory party due to thatcher closing the mines and shipyards and the culture of the party being so posh, privately educated and southern. They do not hold this contempt towards reform so you can easily see reform taking nearly all of the red wall.
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