I’m going to come out and say it straight away. I hope you guys don’t get Front Office jobs. I hope you don’t even get Middle Office or Back Office jobs. In fact, I hope you enter a field as far removed from finance as possible.
No, this isn’t some TED talk or a motivational speech where I tell you to pursue your passion. This is from a guy who spent a ton of money, endured hundreds of awkward networking calls, and risked firms calling the police on him to break into the industry.
This is from a guy who is horrible at interviews and had to spend eight hours a day practicing his answers to common behavioral questions like “Tell me about a team situation” in front of the mirror and in front of friends.
This is from a guy that’s currently working for next to nothing (by any reasonable standard) in order to gain experience and start building his career. I don’t want to be competing against thousands of kids for the same spot. I don’t even want to be competing against a hundred (again, bad at interviews).
Go ahead, throw your rotten tomatoes, monkey shit at me. I don’t care. Trade places with me and see the reality. Most of us are entry level grunts and we’re all completely interchangeable.
Why can’t your employer replace you with the next warm body that knows how to use Excel and will work for less money than you? Why are you different or special?
Don’t give me some bullshit about adding value, because quite frankly no one can add value coming out of undergrad. You’re not necessary. For the record, no one likes your jokes.
Honestly, I’m not an asshole, I’m just trying to help you out. You have to look out for yourself first. It’s something that I’ve had to learn quickly. If that means pulling ridiculous hours, working until you pass out, then that’s what you have to do to differentiate yourself. You can’t just sit around and hope that the Boss Man drops a huge bonus check into your lap. You have to move with the knowledge that there’s some guy/girl breathing down your neck who will not hesitate to take your job if you get complacent, especially in this economy.
Your finance job isn’t safe. You aren’t safe.
So, prospective monkeys, please, go ahead and attend that info session on management consulting or corporate development (I hear they have great hours).
You sound like a bitter no-talent assclown
This post makes no sense.
LOL, my thoughts exactly. +1.
what are you trying to show????
There's so many factors that determine whether you succeed anot. What you did are just some factors. There are so many other variables to consider like which school you came from, the city you are at, who your father is, hell, the size of your boobs if you are in sales.
if you think you will succeed cos you are v competitive by working for free and making alot of cold calls, you are dead wrong.
I see no sense in saying that. I understand you may have a couple of weaknesses in interviews, but in the end, the cream of the crop comes from those who actually work hard and are well-rounded, capable of handling the hours as well as those interviews.
Also, you can honestly know each and every question that would be asked, keeping an insane math curveball, by just reading a couple of the common finance interview and IBD interview guides. The time you spent typing that little rant could have been better utilized just reading into how to better yourself. PS thats how you actually create value, by making something out of yourself in the time available instead of ranting about your issues.
I know a lot of people like you. There's a reason you're bad at interviews. Examine your motives.
bingo - BlackHat dead on again.
Yes, those in entry level roles are interchangeable but the two important things to remember are:
1) Analyst positions exist for a reason. The higher ups who bring in the money need support so they can continue to focus on building relationships and bringing in money. Sooner or later, problems will occur if people try to do it all (this applies for all organizations, teams, groups, companies, clubs, etc.) Key words: hierarchy, delegation, roles & responsibilities.
2) "Interchangeable" isn't a flip of a switch. It takes time, effort, and money to recruit, train, and implement new employees. So let's assume EVERYONE applying for an analyst position majored in finance and is proficient in excel. The recruiting process is set up to figure out who will "get it" when they are on the job (i.e. will fit in, will have a good attitude, will put in the long hours and work hard, will follow directions and pay attention to detail, can be trusted to work on projects without needing to be spoon fead, can be resourceful and figure things out on their own ... all of these qualities are necessary to effectively SUPPORT those that bring in the money).
So the main goal of recruiting is to do it right the first time so they don't have to wait and see if someone will be a good analyst or not.
You sound like you have a personality disorder, you should see a psychiatrist.
+1
OP, maybe if you forget that you are a prospective analyst and remember that you are a human, you will do and feel better.
Your avatar makes me hot, I can't help myself
Stormtroopettes know how to rock those party dresses.
Lol good thing to wake up to.
OP did you go to Vtech or Rutgers?
let me guess
you weigh around 50-60kg between 160-170cm height square shoes wrinkled tie bad grades never seen a woman naked (cept on the www)
?
The best part about this trollolol is the fact that his button says he's a 2nd year PE analyst.
he probably doesnt know what PE is..
Thanks bro. I'd say right back at ya, but it seems like I don't need to since you've clearly failed at everything.
Please, will someone just remove this post from the site. It's incoherent and makes no sense....
Two words: Exit Opps
what are you talking bout?
flattery will get you nowhere
What the hell is going on
My goal was to present an alternate viewpoint. I understood full well that I was going to get shat on. But it's something that I think many other entry level people (especially now) think about from time to time, the slight paranoia that surrounds the growing uncertainty of our own jobs and what plays out to some extent in our heads.
Knowing what I know about people, not surprised at all by the reaction, and as unpopular as it is, I felt like it's something that people should hear, the inner dialogue behind the whole 'friendly but hyper competitive' nature of the industry.
OP, you are saying that because of your many failures and inability to go anywhere, you hope everyone else becomes a failure as well?
I say you're just bitter
op is qqq cuz he gg no re
I lol'd at "This is from a guy who is horrible at interviews and had to spend eight hours a day practicing his answers to common behavioral questions like “Tell me about a team situation” in front of the mirror and in front of friends." You have friends? Do me a favor look up Blumie, study him, right now this is 0/10 trolling, I was doing better in elementary school
Guys, there's a point in all of this. Much of finance- the way it is now- is a zero-sum game, and brilliant, driven people tend to wind up hating each other in zero sum games.
Yes, OP is a douche, and we're douches too. The douchiness is a logical conclusion of us getting into an industry that makes money when others lose money.
It hasn't always been this way. It doesn't have to be this way, either.
Finance isn't the only zero-sum game out there. Life is one too. I think human nature makes this what it is, so it's very possible that it does have to be this way. Not everyone can win, or else winning loses its definition and life loses its value. You don't know pleasure til you know pain.
[quote=InefficientMarketsThis is from a guy who spent a ton of money, endured hundreds of awkward networking calls, and risked firms calling the police on him to break into the industry.
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Haha
I don't get it
No other form of life was going to metabolize coal or uranium. No other form of life is going to use solar energy that misses Earth. It's not even a zero-sum game among species.
No, you mean to say that winning loses value when it loses its definition. The real problem is that if losers lose their value, life becomes worthless. I think we ultimately make ourselves smaller when we think in terms of winning a zero-sum game.
You don't work in finance, banking, PE, whatever. Idiot rambling on the internet. Moving on.
This can't be real.
Why the hell are you so passionate about doing grunt work on excel?
Whenever I read the title of this thread I think of that damn song by Lee Ann Womack
Awwww, Mommy must've told you life was fair? Glad reality has smacked you in the face like a bitch.
This is a complete waste of energy on your part OP. Other people failing isn't going to make you succeed. I worked my ass off and so did 99% of the other people here. Fuck you for thinking you're better than other people for having done what we already have and fuck you for thinking anyone gives a shit.
I'm just going to roll my eyes while I count my millions (which is what everyone else on this forum should be doing)
Hi
lol, also, I got 2/3 offers through connections (had 3 analysts and 1 associate put a word in for me at the place where I work now). So, maybe your failure is because you are an uncooperative prick with no friends? Seriously man, fucking over other people is the worst thing you can do. I've always help out my friends, and it always comes around. You should rethink life man
I always help out*
Folks need to realize that people who see finance as a zero-sum game and have too much ambition are a threat to the people around them. If you see an ambitious person who thinks the only way to make money in this industry is to make it from others losing money, don't walk; run. Actually, a lot of folks on WSO have this problem. Sometimes I have it.
How do you know if you're playing a zero-sum game? It comes down to whether you're focused on what you will create, or what you will take home.
One of the most sad posts i've ever read on WSO. OP, stop being bitter and take responsibility for your actions.
YOU JELLY BRO?
ohhh, you jelly
The kids like OP are the reason why finance has such a bad name. The few of you that actually make it in finance keep that mentality throughout your professional lives and you suck to be around. Thank God you usually don't have the ability to do any better.
Hopefully you check yourself.
"Honestly, I’m not an asshole, I’m just trying to help you out." You cant even help yourself, c'mon, 'hero'.......
So how about you stop being so hostile and petty and hire an interview tutor? Or go try to make it somewhere else, ummmm maybe as a cashier? Or just blow up the world somehow so you can be one of the few survivors and hopefully somebody will be reeeeeally forced to hire you?
@animalz, right on! lol
well there is one good point in his post.. you need to bring something to the table. memorizing answers for interviews does not add value.
your petty ranting is not only making you look bad on here, but even worse, making a mockery out of the london underground with that picture!
Lol I swear half of the people on this site are low-testosterone pussies with no competitive spirit
I wouldn't compromise someone's job or intentionally screw them but I would dominate every single one of you. While you're sleeping I'm outperforming you and getting to the top
Motivational tapes? :P "I am in control of my life! I am confident and am dominating everyone ... I am a lion, hear me roarrrr"
TAKE IT!
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