I sometimes like the art of recruiting more than I want the job
Something about networking and recruiting just brings me joy. I like meeting people from other firms and in different groups, getting a sense of different personalities, learning about various coverage areas. It's made it easy to get interviews but I seldom want to walk through the door. Is this weird?
Yes and no imo. Networking can be very superficial and repetitive which I hate personally. But also can be a positive feedback loop, just having positive social interactions
Ah yes I too like to “interview for sport”. It’s the same rush as flirting with absolutely no intention of starting a relationship
Honestly though the second thing you said is pretty valid, the vibes when you first hit it off is incomparable to anything else
we like that which we are good at
you became so good at networking that you probably enjoyed it,
arguably establishing connections is more interesting that the repetitive work one does, so it's fair to feel this way
Restless yet again dropping wisdom. Love your posts Restless and agreed. I had a similar experience & how others have mentioned that is common among MDs, am thinking of staying long term.
Agreed and also huge fan of your posts Restless
That’s basically the job of Senior MDs
Not weird and a positive to build up professional network as will serve you well over time. My only suggestion is to manage relationships / outreach appropriately as you think about longer term career path and how folks may view you (ie sincere in outreach vs exploratory). As long as you are genuine / balanced in approach think it’s fine. What you don’t want is someone questioning your sincerity at some point when you may really be focused on a a role.
Any advice
You'd be a good senior banker. This is the job of an MD in a nutshell. IB is like 95% a relationship and personality business.
Thanks, that's how it feels when I focus on it for a few weeks at a time. It's a great feeling to get responses and set up meetings and interviews. I usually work on my sales/networking pitch while I work out the night before. I really do enjoy it.
Endless search to feel the dopamine rush of the SA offer call again
Very common actually especially with both IB and PE recruiting being pushed up so early. Kinda like fisherman that fish for the sport instead of actually eating the fish. Also the job itself is such bullshit the process of obtaining one is more exciting.
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You’ll get a lot of tactical tips but really it all boils down to self confidence. Get that up first
In my experience, what it really boils down to is not caring. This overlaps with self confidence (if you have confidence that you'll be fine no matter what, you can be indifferent to the outcome of any particular interview process) but it's not exactly the same thing. Even if nothing fundamentally changes about your personality or worldview, suddenly finding out that you have a good job offer in the bag will immediately cause you to do better in interviews for competing job offers.
OP here. Took time. I still get that same anxiety when it's a target firm, especially when I have an actual shot. Just this week I got on with a recently promoted MD and I actually forgot how to speak english. Same thing with a VP in a group I was really interested in a few months ago. I fare way better when it's a group I'm not that interested in. It takes time, repeated stress, and acceptance of possible failure, until the psychological walls come down. End of the day, we're mostly all just dudes who work in the same industry and have similar motivations and similar drives.
u should do sales then
I can oddly relate but didn't realize this until I was on my 2nd job. Something about the unpredictability of recruiting and the rush of receiving an offer is appealing. The actual job? Meh.
How do you get good at it? I think the initial outreach is the most awkward/difficult and then also being able to use those relationships as pathways for interviews? I always hold myself back because I think it is transactional and think why would they want to help me? Maybe I am just bothering them...
How do i get over it?
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