Wild. I think today is gonna be it. I don't have an opinion on the person one way or another - Royal Family is generally meh. Just thought about how long she's been around, especially with the influx of the 'Queen is Immortal' memes I've seen in recent years.
Per BBC & a Twitter update from the Royal Family, it would not surprise me if she passes today or has already passed. BBC changed clothes to all black, and I was reading about something called the 'London Bridge' operation which details the protocol for her death. They wouldn't announce it until the evening, even if it's already happened.
Per WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/queen-elizabeth-iis-…
Edit: nevermind that was quick
Yup, that's gonna be it for the Bongs. Pack it up, everyone, good game. The esprit de la nation is not gonna survive that.
This aged well. God save the queen
Just saw a updated piece saying she passed away. Rest In Peace.
https://open.spotify.com/track/6ui6l3ZNvlrGQZArwo8195?si=FGEh78ewSgqe-8…
London Bridge is down
Her immortality ran out
Reading political leaders deep personal and professional admiration for her makes you realise she is the greatest monarch in history.
Not really. She was a good person, yes, but the only reason she had so much 'love' was because she shut up and kept out of politics. the UK would not tolerate a monarch that tells them how to govern, she wisely understood that. If she did try to get involved in politics -- even just expressing opinions -- there's a material chance the monarchy would no longer exist. She basically lived in a gilded cage all her life, no real power, all the money was never actually hers, etc
It's a hard life but she lived it with grace. I do admire her, but certainly not the greatest monarch in history
All true.
To me, the saddest part about her was she stood for nothing. Basically the opposite of "shut up and dribble". She didn't need to get political, and I know she raised a bunch of money, but in that position, over 70 years I think she could have done more for a lot of problems in the world, instead of wasting the country's money on rather trite things.
are there any Americans with enough brain cells to comprehend a single solitary sentence accurately?
sincere apologies that the queen and her family could only generate >£1bn to charitable organisations in her lifetime and generate countless billions toward UK tourism. I'm sure you have better knowledge and resources than the royal family, and you could have pointed her in the right direction. What a shame.
https://www.royal.uk/charities-and-patronages
Look, thats not the point. The point is, the royal family isn't Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Oprah, pick your favorite billionaire. They earned what they have, so no one can tell them how to spend it or what to support. These people do literally nothing except being born into the correct family to achieve what they have. (could Elon/Bezos whoever do more, I guess, but at least they are trying to get to space).
Is greater than a billion raised for charity great, yes. Have I done that, no. Do I think she could have done way, way, way more, also yes. Think of all the tragedies and injustices in the world, pick your favorite; I meant, we live in a world a thriving human traffic trade (whichever nephew was on the plane with Jeffrey Epstein prob knows). Meanwhile, this "royal" family is having their dogs flown first class, spending millions on weddings and redecorating their homes. (Not to mention I think the queen had ~4 drinks a day.) To me, it would be like an alternate universe where Michael Jordan played one season of basketball, we know he had more in him.
I don't what worse, the family themselves or the people who hold them in high regard.
At the end of the day, I do respect hustle though. So, the fact that this family holds down what is basically a ponzi scheme, good for them.
Sorry what are you talking about now? Rich people should give away their cash? Hot take! Please educate me on the virtues of socialism?
The royal family fly theirs dogs first class? I mean despite the fact the 'RoYal FaMilY' were snapped last week on a budget airliner (https://7news.com.au/entertainment/royal-family/kate-middletons-unexpec…).
Elon Musk, Jeff Bezos, Oprah earned what they had? There was no luck involved whatsoever right??? For every Elon Musk that made it there are 10,000 of equal intellect that didn't, boohoo life isn't fair.
Didn't Elon Musk come from an insanely wealthy family? Isn't most of his wealth completely ephemeral and he's done nothing to create it?
And Jeff Bezos doesn't fly first class? I'm not sure what your point is.
You clearly have very little understanding of how the British Royal Family functions, which isn't surprising, seeing as you're on WSO, the home of hot takes and a complete ignorance of history.
Look up the Civil List. Or as it's been replaced with, the Sovereign Grant. You may not respect contracts, but I do, and I do not think it's unreasonable for the British government to hold to the contract they agreed to 250 odd years ago.
Did I say she was involved politics you dumb yank fuck? (FYI - https://www.parliament.uk/about/how/role/relations-with-other-instituti…), no I didn't, you fucking ignoramus. I said the admiration from ALL political leaders shows what a true leader she is (Please check Joe Biden, Emmanual Macron, Justin Trudeau, even Jamie Fucking Dimons social media). She didnt try to get involved in politics? You know why she died in Scotland right?
I agree it's not fair to say "the greatest monarch in history" because comparing constitutional monarchs to those who actually have any degree of involvement in the day to day governing of the realm is apples to oranges. But I also think you and the people criticising her in this thread misunderstand the role of a constitutional monarch, which I would argue she fulfilled flawlessly.
The role of the constitutional monarch exists essentially as an emergency backstop in a constitutional crisis. Elected politicians are by definition politicised, so their control of such a situation is inherently prone to partisanship. Just witness the US post the 2020 election; who actually won and who was responsible for the events of Jan 6 has been reduced to a political opinion rather than an established fact. The final outcome is and will be strongly influenced by who controls the various branches of government. Its clear that if Trump or any other hypothetical president simply refuse to step down, citing electoral fraud or whatever, America's political institutions would be strained. In such a situation, the calm voice of a highly respected monarch can ensure that the correct constitutional procedure is followed.
The key to the monarch's ability to fulfil this role is respect, and that requires not involving themselves in politics or expressing even remotely contentious opinions - being in a situation where even a minority of the public disagrees with you weakens the influence of the role and exposes it to partisan bias, thus defeating its entire purpose. Alongside avoiding any personal scandals in a 70+ year reign - pretty incredible when you think about it - this is where Queen Elizabeth II excelled more than any other constitutional monarch I can think of (and where her children, principally Charles and Andrew, have fallen short).
While I'm on the subject of respect, and since the topic of funding has been brought up, I might add that other things that also help maintain respect for the institution: pageantry, hosting world leaders, travelling the world, charity fundraising (which the Queen put Wall Street level hours into basically her entire life) cost a shit tonne of money. The entire point of these things is to strengthen the institution and thus the country; it's only fair that they be compensated for them. In any case, after reforms in the 1980s and early 1990s the personal expenses of the royal family have been largely if not entirely paid for out of the earnings from their estates and private portfolio; the Sovereign Grant is used for official duties. The Royal Family has also paid income and capital gains taxes since 1992.
Hear hear. Not everyone understands what she did and her contribution to this world. She shall be missed but never forgotten.
I want a Stuart restoration.
wonder if Charles will stick it out or if he plans to abdicate for William in the near future? He's already in his 70s
Kinda says a lot about Charles that Elizabeth was well into her 90s and wouldn't abdicate. She definitely knew Charles was a dope. I think he's going to have a rough time
They are not supposed to abdicate. Its the monarchs duty to serve until the end of their life so it doesn't say anything about Charles that she didn't abdicate.
Wonder if some of the Commonwealth Realm states will seek to abolish their monarchies now. Think Australia has a Republican PM right now. Will be interesting to see considering Charles is not nearly as beloved as Elizabeth was. Think his approval ratings were in the 40s recently while hers were in the 90s. Support for abolishing the Australian monarchy has been as high as 50% in some polls. Don't think it will be them that does it first though, if they ever do.
The world's gandma just passed. RIP
Good riddance - 26+6=1
Guess God did not save the Queen. Jokes.
Monarchs = unelected families unwillingly supported by taxpayers. Thank goodness the Americans had the will to overthrow these fools in 1776.
The British Government estimates that the tourism money brought into the United Kingdom by the Royal Family is nearly $700mil, which is more than the taxpayer cost. I think the Monarchy should be abolished, but not for financial reasons.
Also the "taxpayer" signed a contract with the Royal Family and the relatively small amount of money given to them is part of that contract. Moreover, huge parts of the Sovereign Grant are used for "public" purposes - maintaining various buildings like Buckingham Palace, which would almost certainly be a taxpayer cost either way.
This guy is just another right wing troll on here trying to feel edgy and superior.
Tears came to my eyes when I reread what she said during COVID
Stopped giving a fuck about the queen and her pedophile-loving family on July 4th 1776. She's not even British for God's sake, she's German, and I still see all these clips of NPCs crying standing outside Buckingham Palace as though she had a huge impact on their daily lives. Good riddance.
I get what you're saying. I'm super anti-monarchy, but I still think she was a nice person all things considered. She didn't ask to be born into this, and I know how that sounds, but still. There are a lot of things we can do that she couldn't ever if she wanted to. She also has been very respectful to the United States. On Sept 13, 2001, she had the Star Spangled Banner played outside of Buckingham Palace in front of thousands of Americans stranded in London due to closed US Airspace. She did it again a few days later too.
Has she done some questionable things like not throwing Andrew to the wolves and the whole cousin situation? Yeah, and that's horrible, but I think your hate for her as an individual is a bit extreme. I think the Commonwealth Realm ought to abolish the British Monarchy as their Heads of State ASAP, and I would honestly refuse citizenship of any country that made me swear allegiance to a monarch (Canada is one example), but I think she wasn't all that bad.
Not dope like Charles (despite his cool af accent) who cheated on his wife
I cannot emphasize this enough. Fuck the queen. Fuck the king. Fuck the entire Royal Family. I hope they all burn in hell where they belong. There is nothing redeeming about a den of pedophile-enabling elites.
Edit: to those of you tossing shit, congrats, you sympathize with child predators because they also happen to wear crowns. I'm sure your families would be proud.
Define British, please. You'd have a real hard time finding a "British" monarch since... Edward the Confessor?
I think that after nearly 200 years, the Saxe Coburg Gothas can define themselves as British. If they're not British, then who is? I mean that... there aren't any native Britons left!
The Queen is dead, long live the King
Sad day for everyone
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