Links to the story here:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-2…
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-06-2…
What are your thoughts?
On one hand I’m a bit relieved, as an uptick of bystanders with guns will probably massively discourage the crazies from attacking people in the subway. My girlfriend is strongly considering buying a gun now, especially given she’s Asian & the Michelle Go incident still has her & her friends very rattled.
On the other hand, NY is full of people with anger management issues & I can totally imagine guns amplifying the consequences of tail-events where two people having bad days run into each other at the wrong time.
New York City is literally about to turn into Gotham now
With your girlfriend, I'd advise to take politics completely out of it and have her decide, for herself, if she would be/feel safer or more at risk if she was conceal carrying a pistol. If she would be/feel safer, then she should do it, laws be damned. The law is there to prevent people from intentionally committing crime: defense against those people is not only a constitutional right, but a no-brainer. If there's a law that comes between her and her personal safety, she should defy that law. A quick drive to another state, and you can pick up a Sig P365, a box of ammo, and a conceal holster for like $600.
My personal thoughts unsurprisingly echo the same as the above, but I think there's even more precedence now. Given the complete cluster of the Uvalde police response and the fact that more and more police are retiring/leaving the force, it's becoming clearer and clearer that the onus of self defense rests on the citizen and not on the government, and any governmental law that limits my ability to defend myself is not a law that is worth following.
I'm not willing to put my family in harm's way just so the government can claim that they've hit their goals of reducing the total number of guns on the street. My family is more valuable than that statistic.
Jesus America is a crazy place. Citizens arming themselves with guns to defend themselves from gun-toting criminals. Sounds like a warzone. MS this post all you want but I'm glad I'm not part of that country.
It’s why I left. America may have a great economy but it is fundamentally not a safe country.
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Asian chiming in here. Can’t state how many times I’ve been close to being stabbed, assaulted and in situations where loss of life was close to happening. I happen to live in a very blue state (CA), and often times not having a firearm on me makes my defense options limited.
I plan to apply for a carry conceal shortly. For me, the current state of affairs makes it difficult to feel safe. It even makes it difficult to consider going to an on-campus program given the current low number of LEOs to support in case there are emergencies.
I wish things were more positive.
how were these incidents resolved? Did you have to fight people off with kicks and punches?
White guy here: what does being Asian have to do with it?
I've been robbed at gunpoint, assaulted with weapons, attacked by multiple assailants, etc.
There has been an increase in anti-Asian violent crime over the past few years (FBI 2020 Hate Crime statistics was the latest verifiable national data I could find). I'm trying not to state a political opinion, and I completely understand if they want to secure the right to defend themselves, that is the rationale of this discussion.
For those of you thinking of getting a gun, please go to a gun safety course and learn how to use a gun. If you are getting a gun for personal protection, you need to feel comfortable with it in your possession in case you ever wind up in a spot where you need to shoot.
Never pull your gun unless you intend to use it. Practice shooting on the move. Practice different positions. You aren’t going to turn into Jason Bourne, but if you are ever in a position where you need to use your gun, the “target” will more likely than not be moving and not standing still.
110% agree with the above. The only reason you ever pull a gun is if you intend to kill whatever is in front of the barrel, and you get as much training as is reasonable for your situation.
Not going to comment on the SC decision, but I have been around guns my entire life and fired my first rifle at six years of age (supervised).
- The gun owner is responsible for every bullet that leaves the barrel. Regardless of whether the discharge was justified or not, whether they were defending themselves or not.
- Some areas in this state are really not a great environment for defending yourself with a gun, especially if the owner is new to shooting. A crowded subway carriage is one of the worst places for armed self defense.
- Please learn how to use/handle, store and protect yourself with a gun. It is not like in movies or TV shows.
- A gun is only as useful as your close combat skills. Many people were shot with their own gun or it was stolen from them.
- Deescalation is better than discharging a weapon. If you can walk away from something, walk away from it.
- Please be super careful if you have children. They can, under no circumstance, have access to a gun or figure out how to access it. (Kids are smart)
Everyone, please stay safe.
Honestly, I don’t hate the idea. The previous law was way too arbitrary and limited gun ownership to the uber-wealthy. I would like to see extensive safety courses required
Libs btfo
My view is this is bad. Pulling a gun escalates a situation, it does not de-escalate. For the comments about close calls, I would keep in mind they were close calls likely because you moved along. If you had not and instead pulled a gun, the result could have been much worse.
Firing a gun in NYC is super dangerous. Areas are crowded. Not everyone will have perfect aim. You will miss your intended target and hit an innocent person. A shot fired on a subway - think about the aftermath and chaos.
Guns are not meant for close range battle, which is where most people are saying they'd use it. Once someone is within stabbing distance, you would prefer a knife, not a gun.
Even if you think you have good self control, you are overestimating other people's self control. Think about all the honking cars, or the guy in the car next to you yelling at your uber driver for being a dick, and then your uber driver flashing his gun.
Sure, this could be good, but I don't have enough faith in the average person
Regardless of guilt, Rittenhouse is a psycho who needlessly killed two people. If he would’ve been a normal Kid and not brought an AR to protect a fucking liquor those people would’ve been alive.
Just gonna dump some thoughts here:
Unless I’m grossly misreading your title, it is incorrect. SCOTUS shot down “May-issue” permitting.
Correct. They shot may issue permiting.
1) Open Carry is still ILLEGAL in all of New York. This case was about the Sullivan Act's "Proper Clause" for permission to carry a concealed weapon.
2) This does not change the permitting rules in New York City or New York State. You still need to get all of the appropriate permits to own a gun. This will eventually change how Conceal Carry permits are issued in NYC and across the state (and in the other 6 May-Issue Issue jurisdictions in the US).
3) The Court ruled that the proper clause is illegal due to the arbitrary nature associated with it. The court did not strike down any provisions requiring licensing. See point 2.
4) If your girlfriend and her friends are rattled, and are seriously considering firearm ownership, I would advise them to go to a range in NJ where they can take a basics of Pistol class as a group. It'll be much easier to do in NJ than in NY due to, of course, gun laws. I'd also echo a ton of sentiment of what's been said already, however, a basics class will at least expose her to firearms if she's never been around them.
5) Having a firearm license means you're holding yourself to a higher level. In 2A Restrictive states, gun owners are shat on and are expected to hold themselves to a better standard than even the police. Just keep that in mind.
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