Andrew Tate, no nut challenges, red pill, etc. gained popularity because of men who are sexually frustrated.
In your opinion, what changes would you attribute to this graph going up i.e. what changed during the last decade? Tinder may be a valid reason. What else?
Also, any solutions to solve this social issue?
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Social media and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
Uncle Ted was right again...
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Uh oh this should be a good one
I think social media / porn access via onlyfans (started with porn on the web) is actually a good argument. Men aren’t satisfied with real women in their vicinity (access to online porn accelerated that) and then have the illusion of having access to women all over the world (social media making you think a like/comment/DM response/follow etc. you can somehow meet up and fuck the dream girl for real).
Then on top of all of that, men who were late bloomers / otherwise incels have a platform via social media, which is incentivized to amplify the most incendiary content good or bad. So the younger generation of men with unreal standards, stunted social skills, and a tendency to “follow the herd” of these supposed macho men online are now in this weirdo feedback loop of not talking to women in real life because they either think they’re better or simply can’t and then complaining about it online. We’re fucked
Wrong. Men don't have a false perception of reality. Women (the controllers of sex) hook up with the top tier men and their standards rise naturally. Men do resort to porn, but the notion that men are entranced by porn and wouldn't prefer a real woman because of the inconvenience/effort of pursuing women is false. As feminism develops and progresses, women naturally open their legs more but only to top tier men.
This is that incel bullshit lmao “controllers of sex”. Women have had the same standards - they’ve always like rich ball players, businessmen, celebrities etc. It doesn’t mean they have any more access to them, I’d argue they probably have less due to all of the above. I don’t know about you but my women friends still fuck “normal” guys, you’re right they may not readily fuck bums anymore because they don’t have to (more access as well, Can work on their own so no need to force marriage, less social pressure to have a family while young ) but if you think that captures the majority of men out there you’re delusional, or also a loser.
Found the incel
I think on the flipside, dudes that clap have been clapping off the hook compared to older generation. Pussy has become concentrated at the top, like wealth. Correlation = causation? Hmm.
Instagram/Online Dating culture has given women unimaginable levels of attention, and the ability to order s.e.x. like pizza (they always had it easy, but never before like this). And what is ironic, is that with all this freedom and power, women have effectively returned us back to a word where the top men in society control harems (except this time women join multiple neo-harems in a voluntary fashion), while the masses of average to below average men struggle to find mates.
This is the only correct answer
Do you guys seriously have so little success with women that you need to resort to justifying it with the above?
This makes sense in theory and I do think it happens, but not to the extent where the “top few” get all the women. I think there’s a group of elite men that does very well sexually, then the middle tier of normal dudes that probably do ok (like maybe the occasional hookup or a LTR at times but it’s not easy to find a long term gf), then the “incel” group probably around the bottom ~25-30% that really really struggles. So I do think there’s decent merit to the incel “chad” ideology but it’s not to the extent a lot of people say.
Posts like on WSO this are all very sad to read.
On the contrary, it's interesting to see WSO opinion on this topic. Some people here have six figures salaries, come from good schools, and are intelligent. Asking the same thing on Reddit or Twitter isn't even worth it because for me it's somewhat obvious why XxXMountainDew420 from Alabama doesn't get girls, but not quite clear why it also happens here.
Really, It seems like most of the responses on here are some flavor of *blame social media*
Fewer men are having more sex. Women are competting for the same 20% of men. It's an amazing world to behold, women wanting to be whores, becoming whores, then getting upset they end up alone with only cats for company.
Just so I understand your argument, the channel of causation for men having less sex is (1) women focusing solely on the top 20% (I'm with you here to an extent), (2) "wanting to be whores and becoming whores" (not sure how this connects with 1 but ok, throw in your bitterness here), and (3) ending up alone because all of the men who aren't having any sex reject these women even though the men have been having no sex?
No. The 1st part is a statement of reality. The 2nd part is an observation of reality. Just look around at the number of unmarried older millenal women who complain about not being able to find a man. Women are hypergamous, there is less than 1% of women who will seriously date or marry downward. They will fuck attractive guys who are of lower status, but won't date/marry them.
Couldn't be me.
I'm a high quality man but I'm still single. How is that possible?
Wouldn't women choose who is high-quality and who's not? If you're single = women don't choose you = you're not high-quality.
I understand your humor but it seems that being a high-quality man comes also from male counterparts, not women, so some of those guys are still single because they are reinforcing some type of celibacy
High quality is not the same as high value.
You want it too bad. Don't want them and they will come.
But how old r u and how much money do u make?
How many boxes do you tick off:
1. Top 10% earner in the country?
2. 6 foot tall plus?
3. Good looking?
4. Interesting person? Cool hobbies? Travel? etc
5. In shape?
6. Strong game?
etc etc
You don't need all of the above obviously but the more the better. And if you're super deficient in one it will matter (being 5'5 or being overweight)
1) Yes
2) Just a tad less than 6 feet
3) yes, or so have i been told
4) Yes, have regular hobbies and travel often
5) Yes
6) Probably not
online and app dating became normal. before it was looked down upon. now it's by far the main source of relationships. online top guys can reach more girls, and girls don't wanna mess with average guys when top guys show them interest. so top guys get more girls now than before, average and bottom buckets (lol) get less or no girls.
This is it
Because all they do is lie. charge they phones. and eat hot chip
All of you are wrong. 30 percent of men under 30 are LGBTQ.
https://www.newsweek.com/nearly-40-percent-us-gen-zs-30-percent-christi…
This is for men with female sexual partners, not with other men. The numbers would be pretty consistent compared to the past if male sexual partners are considered.
Interesting
I think this is more just bad labeling/question asking. If you look at the other data young men are still having much less sex than previously.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-…
The real Forbes 30 under 30 list
We need redistribution of pussy.
Look at this site alone. You have people advocating studies that girls with more than 1 partner are more likely to divorce you and are forever unable to connect to other partners- all kinds of incel philosophy and concepts. Incels in search of 25 year old virgins etc. As The Donald would say “Sad!”
learn how to run game in person. You should be approaching at least 4 women a night and improving your craft. Stfu about getting beat out by apps. If you aren’t putting in the work to approach, then stfu you aren’t even putting in basic effort. Go David Goggins with it and start taking souls
Honestly, as one of the "27%", I used to use the bullshit incel arguments but I now fully realize it's on me. I've had chances before, but I am unfortunately pretty picky as well. The fact is, people nowadays are less social, meaning they don't go out as much, less consumption of alcohol, etc. All of this leading to less sex. Sure, some women do have stupidly high standards, but if you lack confidence/are introverted, it's looking like a life of virginity for you.
As some had commented, looking at the comments/post on this site on these topics is sad. And we are talking here of highly educated people with access to a wider view and discourse. Imagine the rest!
FWIW, social media and phones are an issue/factor in our lives that didn't exist before. It limits the interaction, increase biases or reduces exchanges to more transactional and immediate satisfaction. This is altering the way people socialise with eachother.
It takes a re-wiring towards going out more, limiting phone use, talking to people, knowing ourselves and the other. This can lead to a more genuine view of life and reality, as well as meeting new people in the pursue of goals (from one-night stands to family-building).
Otherwise, we get reduced to watching porn to crack a nut, and complain online of how lonely we are and how others are to be blame for it.
Btw. Women are probably as free, independent and liberal as never before. You can benefit from it, if you choose to do so. But certainly not if all you can present is a mind full of rats, cockroaches and dark ideas.
TLDR: it is about getting to know oneself, going out, interacting with people and having the right mindset to make yourself fun, attractive, interesting to be with. Go for it.
Not Pew's intention but by virtue of your snipping and posting this it is out of context. A large contributing factor is marriage age. Men (and women but not as severely) are getting married later. The #1 predictor of sexual relations for those between 18 and 30: marriage. The question would be more valid if it were between 18 and time if marriage but this would require the survey to be retroactively changed.
This isnt the only cause however. It would be interesting to see female numbers as I doubt they would have changed as much. This would point to females being more selective by virtue of more information i.e. apps and more choices i.e. urbanisation and higher college attendance.
Solution wise probably more marriage at a younger age but I doubt many people would be on board
Well women are out-earning men in 22 major US cities including NYC and DC. Why should they settle for somebody who does not have the potential to at least earn as much as them?
Source: https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/03/28/young-women-are-out-ea…
I'm a little shocked about NYC, what with all the tech/finance men there and women in lower-paying industries like art and fashion. Are the homeless men skewing the data?
I'd say low-skilled jobs that women generally don't do (taxi drivers, short cooks, etc.) that are in high demand in cities probably plays into it also.
For NYC they define the metro really broadly even including Newark in the calculations. They also define the age bracket to be 30 or younger limiting the very high earning corporate professionals. And even with all of this women’s average income is 2% more.
Seems like a lot of cherry picking to get these numbers imo.
That being said the enrollment in colleges is becoming majority women, so there are going to be educational differences but uncertain whether that plays out at a salary level.
Bishes being bishes…that’s why I get none
As said above, people getting married later and people being less sexually certain contribute to this.
Also, I believe, there is less stigma/reasons for women to get in this age in America than in prior years. Additionally, I believe the "list" of what women are looking for in husband/partner is growing, while what men are bringing to the table is stagnant. Meaning, in the past, women just needed a man to have a job and that was about it. Now, women have more a of a check list in the sense, how does someone look, whats their earnings, personality (our grandparents didn't get married like that). However, for men, woman just need to really be attractive.
Women don’t need men for the same reasons as they used to. Historically, women needed men because they were more educated, had more money, and held property. Now women can do all of that on their own, so they need the men to bring new things to the table: emotional availability/intelligence, respect, kindness, good sex, sense of humor, physical attractiveness, etc. A lot of men aren’t taught to be good partners in that sense; they’re socialized through the old way of thinking and are surprised when women aren’t interested in that anymore.
Men can either adapt and rise to the new standards or accept an increasingly lonely existence.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-state-our-unions/202208/the…
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You guys are killing me with these studies. How many women have you approached this month if you want to meet women? If it’s below 10 then that’s a problem. It’s a numbers game, always has been.
So I did some digging into the source of the graph:
That graph OP posted about the rise in male sexlessness is based on the 2018 general social survey.
This analysis of the 2021 general social survey data tells a different story. Basically, the rates of sexlessness are about even between men and women.
I'm not saying to the high rates of sexless men isn't an issue, but I don't think the Incel arguments people are making hold true. For example, the vast majority of women (and men) have sex in committed relationships, average women don't ride the "cock carousel" like some of you guys are claiming.
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