A Real Disscusion about Promotion in PE
I'll be heading to a decent MM fund (think H&F, GTCR, Audax, Ares and etc.) and have done some research / networking to find more insights about this space. One question that I still can't figure out after almost a year is how do you get promoted to VP in PE?
Statistically, 70% and more (based on my findings and open to discussion) associates leave after 2 or 3 years and many go to B-school. How many of 1st PE associates eventually make VP and what qualifications do they must have?
Based on my outreach to former associates, seems like what platform you get on when you join plays a big factor in deals you'll close & promotion. An associate who left after 2 years doesn't necessarily have less passion, knowledge about finance or is worse at "investment" than a promoted VP in the same class.
Congrats on audax bro
There's a real possibility that I'll be working for none of the above funds because how small associate class is, hence the "and etc".
But appreciate you sharing the way how you think.
Your a fucking prick someone’s salty they couldn’t get a buy side offer
Starting at a MF this summer but thanks for the concern - let me know if you need help lateralling.
You're*
Is English your second language? (no shade, just curious)
No I am borrowing friend's account for the post tho.
Cool. Hopefully I'm in your position down the line.
Am I crazy or are literally none of those funds you mentioned mm lol - like Ares? Are you serious?
I might be a little old school, but I define MM vs. MF based on how many transactions they do are mega deals. I know many would base on fund size vs. deal size which also make sense.
H&F, an extremely well-established firm that's currently in the market for a $20B fund (and known for making concentrated bets i.e., they do large deals), would not qualify as a MM fund.
While it is true that most associates leave after 2-3 years and many go to business school, that trend has started to change a bit. Fewer PE people need to go to business school now because many megafunds and UMM funds are promoting internally (e.g., Apollo, KKR, Warburg, Silver Lake, Francisco, Centerbridge, American Securities, etc.). If you're asking for what percentage of 1st year PE associates end up as VPs at the same fund, I'd guess ~5-20% for the larger funds. Most people won't be given offers, some people may want to move upstream/downstream (and/or to a different city), some will want to shift industries (HF, corp dev, start-up, corporate, etc).
In order to get a chance to make VP, you need:
I was amazed when I got to a firm similar to the class you named and absolutely nobody, at all, wanted to stay to VP. Generally, the people who wanted to stay, stayed. Mutual fit just tended to work out like that.
What did they go on to do instead
Pretty much anything you can think of in the broader "business & finance" category
gonna guess it's Ares. didn't hear at any of other funds above most people would prefer not to stay
do you know why associates at ares want to leave rather than stay on?
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