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No their cash comp is below-market, ASO1 TC is $230k-240k + co-invest (I don't remember if it's levered or not), have hired some experienced ASOs at $260k-270k. They're top quartile/decile with all of their funds and start providing carry at the Sr ASO or VP-level, so they decide to offer the PE equivalent of the Goldman discount to ASOs.

Very smart guys, most of the senior team lives out in Woodside with all the other big tech execs/investor names in SF/Menlo. Culture is SUPER fucking sweaty. From a friend there, ASO years are miserable but the upside is almost unmatched by any other MM software-focused firms. 

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

Seems like fairly low comp, what is the upside? Is it the exit oppS?

 

Like I said, they know they're a top name in their space and so they can leverage the brand against paying well (which is kinda shitty of them being based in Menlo and undoubtedly contributes to junior attrition). Exit opps are solid given the fund's rep, you'll have no problems getting recruiters on the phone but the rest is on you. Upside to staying long-term is they're very keen on promoting from within and the seniors there get PAID. They are for MM software what TB/Vista are for MF software. 

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

AKKR is by no means the "best" of MM software lmao. They are value players that do the majority of investments in the LMM and do a million add-ons for each platform. Yes, their returns are good and they have been successful, but they are so far from being sexy MM buyout investors, like what TB/Vista flagships are in the MF world... think of them as being pretty similar to PSG or something... growth investor that does LMM platform deals and a ton of add-ons and have been successful doing that recently

 

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AKKR is by no means the "best" of MM software lmao. They are value players that do the majority of investments in the LMM and do a million add-ons for each platform. Yes, their returns are good and they have been successful, but they are so far from being sexy MM buyout investors, like what TB/Vista flagships are in the MF world... think of them as being pretty similar to PSG or something... growth investor that does LMM platform deals and a ton of add-ons and have been successful doing that recently

Great returns = big carry = sexy - which IMO fits the bill for AKKR. Big headlines for 50th & below decile returns do not make you "sexy". Are they sending the most people to HFs? No, but that's not what's being asked here. They haven't only been successful "recently", they lap PSG and have been consistently outperforming the majority of their peers for 20+ years. 

How are you defining "best"? If returns/performance is what matters then they're undeniably sitting at the top of the table for software PE investing. Calling them "value" players is inaccurate, they're not lowballing every process. They're diligent about not overpaying like other JAMMBOs for a legacy assets who underwrite a rosy multiple expansion, not scraping the bottom of bids like CSI copycats or other MM value players e.g. HIG. Which is smart given how inflated software PE has gotten over the last 5+ years with everyone flocking to it + now the rise of AI coding applications that've put intense headwinds into the market for anyone who bought in heavy over the last 3-4 years.

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 
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It's happening in the LMM and "micro" markets already, mostly for horizontal application software supporting SMBs (but I'm not exactly sure that VMS is safe either given enough time). It took me less than 8 hours part-time in under a week to spin up a basic scheduling app for a repair service shop and the extent of my coding knowledge is a handful of python and basic systems courses I took at college back in the 2010s. There were headlines last year about applications like Workday being displaced at large enterprise accounts (Klarna) with self-built tools using OpenAI and with the speed at which these apps self-improve that's inevitably going to become more common across all market sizes. Apps like Lovable (not even 2yrs old and has 1000s of SMB customers already) code at or above the level of entry-level engineers while obviously much faster + at orders of magnitude lower cost than even foreign engineers, so any business with IT spend IMO is going to gradually adopt them. Those savings drop right to the bottom line. The biggest hurdle I've observed so far has been getting more senior (and I'm referring to age here, generally 35+) engineers to actually adopt them because they're more used to managing people and aren't as quick on the uptake for learning prompting/trusting its work.

I follow a bunch of folks on X who talk about this stuff and constantly share new use cases/examples of apps folks are spinning up with little to no coding background. What's happened in just the last 6 months has been wild to watch, it's hard not to imagine that in another 2-3 years these applications becoming much more ubiquitous and being able to produce work that's far more complex. It will massively benefit actual software companies of course because it lets them lower their engineering costs which are by far their biggest line item, but it will simultaneously put a lot of pressure on their pricing leverage because there will always be the substitute threat available to customers to just do it themselves using these apps + a good engineer who can piece it all together if the customers don't like the tradeoff of high cost in exchange for a service partner and are willing to take on the execution risk themselves. 

I don't know a single person in software PE who isn't thinking about AI with respect to their own portfolio companies because if they don't adopt and implement it reasonably quickly they're going to get left behind because of the momentum that becomes available to their competition. That seriously threatens investments they in retrospect probably overpaid for if they can't execute on pricing and feature increases they underwrote on their base cases.  

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

let's be fair is MM software PE going to have the most upside? probably not . I'd argue probably the least defensible sector with the most possible for disruption, Your akkr isn't going to bring in AI engineers because they are too old school growth. MM software PE needs to and will change and i would be surprised if a fund like akkr is well positioned. Nonetheless, doesn't take anything away from their good returns in the past

 

Good firm but seems lots of attrition at the junior level given they were hiring for several Associates over past few years (prob due to low comp and long hours). Since it’s buy and build, they are very technical which is good experience in a bad m&a market but also means constant 80-100 hour weeks and might be tough to stay on past 2 years (given they have a lot of mid-levels). Given lower pay, might not be worth unless starting out in PE for the reps / experience that’s probably better than alot of firms right now. Can see a lot of folks that left  on LinkedIn. 

 

Both of which were answered above...

"If you don't have any enemies in life you have never stood up for anything" - Winston Churchill | "It's a testament to the sheer belligerence of the profession that people would rather argue about the 'risk-adjusted returns' of using inferior tooth cleaning methods." - kellycriterion
 

No mention of analyst comp above, only associate and great carry, and exits were abt associates it seems

 

Not yet, my interviewer said it would take a few weeks until we hear back. Anyone heard back?

 

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