AMA (or sort of): Platform HF in Singapore

I'm currently a senrior analyst in one of the platforms in Singapore with a sleeve and clear path to making PM. I understand there probably isn't much information out there about the space and especially in Singapore.

I'll try my best to answer any questions that gets posted here. Please also be understanding - given the community is so small here, I'll not be sharing much details in terms of personal background. For everything else, I'll give it my best shot. Cheers.

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How difficult is it to lateral to a good HF / PE seat in Singapore for "adventure" from London, particularly as a non-Asian? Is there mobility within the international MM platforms to have you based in Singapore (similar to Dubai) or is the SG team mainly covering SEA/Asia? 

 

As anyone in platform HF will tell you -- whatever is possible is completely depedent on your PM and your relationship with him/her. I've seen PMs at both ends of the spectrum. Personally I can choose to work anywhere in the world I like but of course  still need to be 100% responsible for your positions. Or if you want to work market hours (wherever that may be for you), and if that is different from your coverage, you'd need to prove that you can make pnl in that market

For PE, I have no idea but I expect mobility is a lot more possible as a junior (execution focused) than a senior (relatinship focused)

 
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Actual strategy and learning.
I'll focus on the learning part because if your mandate is low net / delta neutral then the strategy really isn't that different across a multi-manager platform and a single manager/boutique. Learning, growing and evolving is continuous, not because you choose it but because its necessary. This job keeps you humble, especially when its more likely than not, every one of your three calls you get wrong. And when you're constantly asking yourself what you're missing and what could go wrong That being said, I am sure there's plenty of learning across the kinds of HFs you mentioend. My guess on what's different is the intensity and the costs of not keeping it up. Also learning is a lot less enjoyable when the alternative is mediocre pnl (or worse still, surivival). As an example, I've not been here that long but am now the 2nd longest serving employee on the investments team. Darwinism is very apparent and keenly felt in a platform HF, well as Charles would say, "adapt or die".

Longevity and comp.
As for comp, I believe there's nowhere that would pay you as much as a platform HF in today's market, at least in Singapore. Of course, there may be an odd fund here and there that has a killer year and all employees get a payday but as an institution and on average, the platforms are hard to beat. There's also a lack of "talent" in the market. Not because what we do is rocket science but because you need a certain amount of time in the markets trading for a platform HF to really understand what's needed and not many PMs or platforms have the luxury of time to train you. Kind of a chicken and egg theory.
As for longevity. Always tough for platform HFs because the turnover is so structurally high. I'm of the view almost every PM blows up at least once. In fact, it may even be necessary to be a well-rounded PM. 

 

Hey! Thanks for doing this - I'm also a senior analyst at (sort of) a MMHF - currently in discussion to get a sleeve.

  1. I would assume your payout is formulaic. Are you able to share details regarding payout ratio (% of PnL) alongside DD limits?
  2. How long did you get from "grunt analyst" to sleeve, and when do you expect to make PM?
  3. Any tips for someone who is about to get a sleeve? :) 

Oh and btw, wrong sub-forum. This should be in HF, not PE.

 
  1. In your position, most likely you can think about 5-10% of attributable PNL, drawdown limits probably wider range and decided by your PM
  2. 2-3 years. But I can see that this varies from person to person. Not determined by pure intellect or smarts or capabilities but how "teachable" you are and what sort of personality you have. If you are in a MMHF you probably know exactly what I mean
  3. Getting a sleeve and owning risk is a completely different ball game. Maybe then you'll get a better sense of why your PM does some of the things he does 

Oh and thanks for pointing it out, I will be reposting.

 

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