Carry and Retained Bonus structure don’t seem favorable
I’m a second year associate at a publicly listed PE fund (relevant for bonus retention). I’ve learned more about our carry structure and bonus retention and it doesn’t seem great but was curious if it’s in line with other listed PE funds.
For carry, it’s not even really carry. Team gets to retain a certain % of performance fees and then that is divided up to senior team members (VP+) through higher discretionary bonus. Given the structure, there is no transparency on individual share of profit, no rights to the carry, and it gets taxed as ordinary income.
For discretionary bonus (normal bonus plus any phantom carry included at more senior levels) about 30% of the bonus above around 60k is retained as shares in the company and vests over 4 years
Any thoughts?
Based on the most helpful WSO content, your concerns about the carry and bonus structure at your publicly listed PE fund are valid, as these terms seem less favorable compared to traditional private equity setups. Here's a breakdown:
Carry Structure:
Bonus Retention:
Comparison to Other Listed PE Funds:
Thoughts and Considerations:
Your situation highlights the trade-offs of working at a publicly listed PE fund versus a private one. While listed funds may offer stability and liquidity, the compensation structure often lacks the upside and alignment seen in private funds.
Sources: Data: Average Private Equity Compensation and Carry from Associate to Managing Partner, Confused about carry at PE Fund, Data: Average Private Equity Compensation and Carry from Associate to Managing Partner, Q&A: European PE professional at a Large-cap Megafund, What Happens when a PE Fund Closes?
That's tough man. I would say most publicly listed MFs have a percentage of every fund's carry accrue to the mothership but senior investment professionals still do get carry allocations and DAW would still be a lot given the size of the funds.
If you are very interested in carry dollars in the future then you can consider switching to a firm with a private partnership, but also know that many things can happen that may affect your actual carry payout even if you get carry allocations.
Typical for a FoF, harsh for a buyout fund
Yeah that sucks. This can't be a buyout fund right? This sounds like a fund without a carry structure...
OP. The firm has groups across buyout and real assets but the structure is the same across them all. Pretty traditional funds - these are closed end with ~20% carry
Okay - then not normal. BX, APO both definitely pay carry. Maybe this is KKR? idk. Why would you do this job if not for the carry?... bankers get paid more cash...
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