Carry and Retained Bonus structure don’t seem favorable

I’m a second year associate at a publicly listed PE fund (relevant for bonus retention). I’ve learned more about our carry structure and bonus retention and it doesn’t seem great but was curious if it’s in line with other listed PE funds.

For carry, it’s not even really carry. Team gets to retain a certain % of performance fees and then that is divided up to senior team members (VP+) through higher discretionary bonus. Given the structure, there is no transparency on individual share of profit, no rights to the carry, and it gets taxed as ordinary income.

For discretionary bonus (normal bonus plus any phantom carry included at more senior levels) about 30% of the bonus above around 60k is retained as shares in the company and vests over 4 years

Any thoughts?

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, your concerns about the carry and bonus structure at your publicly listed PE fund are valid, as these terms seem less favorable compared to traditional private equity setups. Here's a breakdown:

  1. Carry Structure:

    • In traditional PE funds, carry is typically a direct share of the fund's profits (e.g., 20% of profits above a hurdle rate) and is allocated to team members based on their level and contribution. This is often more transparent, with clear allocations and rights to the carry.
    • Your fund's structure, where performance fees are retained and distributed as discretionary bonuses, lacks transparency and ownership. Additionally, taxing these payouts as ordinary income (instead of capital gains) is a significant disadvantage, as capital gains are typically taxed at a lower rate.
  2. Bonus Retention:

    • Retaining 30% of the bonus above $60k as shares that vest over four years is not uncommon in publicly listed PE funds. However, this can be seen as a way to align employees with the firm's long-term performance while also acting as a retention mechanism.
    • The downside is that it reduces immediate cash compensation, which can be frustrating, especially if the shares' value is volatile or underperforms.
  3. Comparison to Other Listed PE Funds:

    • Publicly listed PE funds often have less favorable carry structures compared to private funds. This is because they operate more like asset managers, where performance fees are treated as part of the firm's revenue and distributed at management's discretion.
    • The lack of transparency and rights to carry, as well as the ordinary income tax treatment, are common complaints among professionals at listed PE funds.

Thoughts and Considerations:

  • Evaluate Long-Term Value: Consider the potential upside of the shares you are receiving. If the firm performs well, the retained bonus could grow significantly in value.
  • Career Path: If you aim to stay in PE long-term, transitioning to a private fund with a more traditional carry structure might be worth exploring. Traditional funds often provide clearer carry rights and better tax treatment.
  • Negotiate or Seek Clarity: If possible, seek more transparency on how performance fees are allocated and how your contributions are valued. This could help you better assess your compensation relative to your peers.

Your situation highlights the trade-offs of working at a publicly listed PE fund versus a private one. While listed funds may offer stability and liquidity, the compensation structure often lacks the upside and alignment seen in private funds.

Sources: Data: Average Private Equity Compensation and Carry from Associate to Managing Partner, Confused about carry at PE Fund, Data: Average Private Equity Compensation and Carry from Associate to Managing Partner, Q&A: European PE professional at a Large-cap Megafund, What Happens when a PE Fund Closes?

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That's tough man. I would say most publicly listed MFs have a percentage of every fund's carry accrue to the mothership but senior investment professionals still do get carry allocations and DAW would still be a lot given the size of the funds. 

If you are very interested in carry dollars in the future then you can consider switching to a firm with a private partnership, but also know that many things can happen that may affect your actual carry payout even if you get carry allocations. 

 

throwawaybadabing:

Yeah that sucks. This can't be a buyout fund right? This sounds like a fund without a carry structure... 

OP. The firm has groups across buyout and real assets but the structure is the same across them all. Pretty traditional funds - these are closed end with ~20% carry

 

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