Fundraising/IR vs PFG vs Wholesaler

Hello everyone,

TLDR:

Wondering the pros/cons and comp for Fundraising/IR in house and at placement agents and bank groups, vs wholesaler for an alts fund. 

I have done tons of research on WSO on this, and the answers are so varied. If anyone has any personal experience to add to my thought process, it would be appreciated. 

I have two years of institutional sales experience in a junior role for equities and fixed income. Boutique commission heavy shops. Very hard for me to make good money as a young guy cold calling with no brand recognition at a no name boutique. 

I really like the idea of PFG at the BB and EB's, would possibly need an MBA im assuming to even break into it. I love finance and markets, but enjoy the sales aspect the most. I don't at all mind being in sales roles, and I am not looking for exit opps. I like sales and hunting. I imagine boutique placement agents are easier to break into but are much more of a grind. And it seems in house IR/fundraise you need a great product, but one not so established that the name sells itself because then you bring no value and get less comp.

I also imagine wholesaling for alt funds would be quite lucrative as well and seems like something I would enjoy

Any input would be appreciated. 

Thank you. 

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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here's a detailed comparison of Fundraising/IR, Placement Agents, and Wholesalers for alternative funds:

Fundraising/Investor Relations (IR) In-House

Pros: - Direct Involvement: You get to work closely with the fund's management and have a deep understanding of the product. - Potential for Carry: There might be opportunities for carry allocation, though typically less than deal professionals. - Stability: Generally more stable compared to commission-heavy roles.

Cons: - Compensation: May be lower compared to placement agents, especially if the fund is well-established and doesn't need aggressive fundraising. - Value Contribution: If the fund's name sells itself, your value might be perceived as lower, impacting compensation.

Placement Agents

Pros: - Higher Upside: Potential for higher compensation through hefty fees from first-time funds and successful capital raises. - Exposure: Opportunity to work with multiple funds, gaining a broad understanding of the market. - Sales Success: You get the satisfaction of closing deals and directly contributing to the fund's success.

Cons: - Grind: Can be a grind, especially at boutique firms where resources are limited. - Entry Barriers: Breaking into top placement agents at BB and EB might require an MBA or significant experience.

Wholesalers for Alternative Funds

Pros: - Lucrative: Can be quite lucrative, especially if you are good at sales and enjoy the hunting aspect. - Sales Focus: If you enjoy sales and markets, this role aligns well with your interests. - Flexibility: Often more flexibility in terms of client interactions and sales strategies.

Cons: - Commission-Based: Compensation can be heavily commission-based, which might be challenging initially. - Brand Recognition: Working for a no-name boutique can make it harder to establish credibility and make sales.

Additional Considerations

  • Institutional Sales Experience: Your two years of experience in institutional sales for equities and fixed income will be valuable, but transitioning to these roles might still require additional qualifications or networking.
  • MBA: An MBA might be necessary to break into top placement agent roles at BB and EB.
  • Product Quality: In-house IR/fundraising roles require a great product that isn't so established that it sells itself, ensuring you bring value to the table.

Conclusion

Each role has its unique pros and cons. If you enjoy sales and hunting, wholesaling for alternative funds might be the most enjoyable and lucrative path. However, if you prefer stability and direct involvement with fund management, in-house IR could be a better fit. Placement agents offer high upside but can be a grind, especially at boutique firms.

For more detailed insights, you might want to explore specific threads on WSO related to these career paths.

Sources: Q&A: Fundraising for Private Equity, Cap Intro & Investor Relations Career Paths, Placement Agent vs Internal Fundraising at a top PE firm, Q&A: Fundraising for Private Equity, Cap Intro & Investor Relations Career Paths

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Never worked in any of these spaces but the have friends who are involved in all of them.  Seems like once you can get your foot in the door somewhere there is a lot of ability to jump around to get the best deal.  The bot actually does a decent job with some basics but I can go into more depth

1. PFG/Cap Intro (bank fundraising for HFs):  I will lump these into the same group as they don't really exist for clients who are not fee payers elsewhere (Cap into sits in the prime brokerage function and the people I know who do PFG are mostly rolled up into sponsors).  Seems like a great gig when you are senior as you spend the day talking to HFs about what LPs are looking for and telling LPs what HFs are looking to raise and for what strategies and what other LPs are doing.  You will spend a lot of time talking to IR/Fundraising teams at HF/PE about how to best market and position themselves and trying to put them in front of the right investors.  The more junior roles seems similar to banking but less hours (lots of PPT and excel) and doing any other grunt work that is needed. I can't speak to how economics work on this side but I do not think there is any carve out in terms of fees that cap intro group charges (the HF client does not pay extra if you set them up with an LP that invests money in the fund, PFG I am not totally sure on the fee structure).    

2. Fundraising/IR- A lot of the same as PFG/Cap Intro but you only focus on your firm vs having to know all of them.  Maybe a bit less grunt work at the junior level since you are just not seeing the volume that somebody on the cap intro/PFG side is.  I think more upside here than in a bank seat, as the bank seats your gig is just part of the whole package of the firm here if you can get money in the door that is a pretty big part of running the firm.    

3. Placement Agents- Generally they don't take junior people as they dont have the resources to train people.  You need to have experience somewhere in the ecosystem to make it worth it for them to hire you.  A ton of upside if you are good, but would not be a place I would go with some relationships either on the GP or LP side.  

4. Wholesaling-  Does not necessarily have to be an alts fund as all of the bigger firms have some sort of alts they offer.  If you are covering the retail side your sales experience will be valued a ton, out of anything you described this is the most "salesy" job especially at the junior level.  These jobs are pretty easy to find, most of the big firms are sort of always hiring for junior level roles and you should not have a problem getting interviews with your experience.  If you are covering institutional it looks more like cap into/PFG (longer sales process, a fair amount of PPT work, etc).  Its going to take time before somebody is going to let you be the point person for a big consultant or endowment.    

With any of these roles it comes down to how much you are making now vs what an entry level seat will pay you in various spots.  Personally I would consider trying to find a junior role on a sales desk at a bank, you are a low risk junior hire who can get up the curve much faster than some kid out of college.  

 
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Sharing my 2 cents as I think the most SB'd reply here is just mostly wrong (so echoing "Teller In PE"). 

First, there is no traditional or popularly acceptable path to IR/fundraising. That's both the struggle and the opportunity for you. Many firms (both in-house and placement agent) have a tendency to want to hire from IBD, thinking these folks must have a natural advantage or edge on other candidates...but to me, the only edge that IBD folks have over others is that they can grind for longer hours and can execute on autopilot better. What many folks don't realize is that junior roles in IR/fundraising are pretty brutal and not nearly as glorious as others make it out to be (OP, as you know full well, it's far from wining and dining LPs). It's usually a mixture of admin and project management, making sure roadshows are planned properly, DDQs completed on time and pitch decks/VDR updating as appropriate. Throw in there a lot of LP briefing notes, AGM planning/deck tweaking, quaterly report assembly & reviewing and most IBD folks (who may think they're God's gift to finance) may think again about whether they want to actually pursue a career in IR. 

The other guy who commented on PFGs clearly isn't familiar with what they actually are and only knows what cap intro is. PFGs are the bank-equivalent of placement agents. All they do is take on GP fundraising mandates on the primary side or GP-leds/LP interests on the secondaries side. In the glory days of fundraising (2000 to...2022), these firms made a killing. So much so that there were more and more spinouts and boutiques breaking out and doing their own thing because everyone realized that there's essentially 0 barrier to entry to this business. All you need are 2-3 folks and you can make a very good living, IF LPs are still allocating and you're able to take on a couple or a few strong GPs who can sail through the market quickly. The problem now (and this is endemic to the broader PE ecosystem) is that there's way too many competitors in this space and not nearly enough good mandates/deals. Plenty of these PFGs are now struggling and barely hanging on, laying off folks quietly in the more extreme cases. If you're a junior person in a seat at a PFG/agent, you will be more focused on ppt, excel, etc. but the hours aren't necessarily less than banking. There's always more bullshit work that can be done for any fundraise and the work can be endless if you're on the project management side. Know your background is in sales and you should target these roles but you may have to first grind for a couple years as a project manager, meaning the person who actually does the grunt work related to any given fundraise. You'll essentially act as the nexus/communication hub between the client (GP) and the sales team while also directing overall fundraising strategy. You'll work on all the marketing collateral, briefing notes, roadshow planning, GP pitch scripting and help make the fundraising process as smooth as possible. In doing so, you'll actually understand how to run a fundraising process and this can only help you do your job as a salesperson later on. 

To bring this back to your situation, I think as long as you network with these PFGs and agents, you'll be able to break in. As with any job search, find someone who is willing to take a chance on you and appreciates your ambition, hustle and potential. Once you're in the door, you can progress quickly from either project manager or sales assistant to a full-fledged salesperson. As you know, sales isn't hard and most sales ppl are idiots. In past decades of heady fundraising, every salesperson at these shops was a ticket-taker: you show every LP/allocator the menu of offerings (oftentimes 20+ funds that your firm is representing) and the LP will pick. Very few salesppl at these shops can ACTUALLY sell and push past the initial no. And oftentimes, they're not inclined to. Think about it...who's the end client? Your 20+ GPs that you're representing? Or the LP you're actually covering? Are you really going to bend/break that LP relationship just so one of your GP clients gets a shot on goal? Absolutely not. You're going to make sure you do everything to make that LP happy because you can always carry that relationship with you to your next job. 

On in-house roles, this is where I diverge with both the dude who's almost entirely wrong and Teller. What's important for you to realize is that most PE firms have absolutely horrendous views/perceptions of what IR and fundraising actually does and the role that it should have within the firm. Meaning most CEOs/Managing Partners still take the very antiquated view that if they "invest well", then money will naturally line up, a la HF fundraising (as an aside, no one should ever work in HF IR. Most allocators will pick the top 50 and that's it. At least in PE, there's a story to spin and IR can actually make an impact to a fundraise). For better or for worse, PE is literally fake it 'till you make it. I think most people will agree now that PE isn't a differentiated skill set by any means and that no one actually has 'proprietary dealflow.' That's all a crock of bull at this point and very few firms have unique access OR unique value-add capabilities. We've essentially plowed through 15+ years of cheap leverage that has lifted performance across the board. What this means is that there's now a massive disconnect between founders' perception of their own self-worth and capabilities and what's actually needed to successfully fundraise. If you're a GP and only speak to your existing LPs every 2-3 years (essentially ignore LPs as long as you're not asking them for money), then you're in for a rude awakening, esp if your fund performance has struggled recently. 

I say all this to highlight that it may NOT be better training to work at a GP because the experience will vary SIGNIFICANTLY across different firms. Sure, if you get lucky and find a great boss who's willing to mentor, train and handhold you as you figure out IR, then you've hit the jackpot. But 90%+ of the time, you'll join a firm who's IR joined as some random girl on the investment team who pivoted over to IR because the "hours would be better" and essentially then grew up with the firm over the last 10 years, chilling in her siloed, cushy world and never really understanding how a fundraising process should be run and tracking how IR practices have evolved over the years. At PFG/agents, you get a lot more churn and exposure and those reps matter. That's why most new grads join service providers/third-party firms: banking, consulting, law. It's at these organizations where you actually learn to be a functioning industry professional. Can you imagine if corporations hired new grads directly into their corp dev, in-house legal or cap markets divisions? 

And btw, to the other poster who said there'd be "less grunt work" at the junior level in-house. Comeon man. If you're the junior reporting to a singular IR head, all you're going to do is grunt work. Again, if your boss is nice enough to loop you in on LP calls, then you may actually learn something. More often than not though, they'll be insecure, lazy and not keen to involve you in on anything that doesn't help make their immediate jobs easier as you're the solitary IR in the office while she 'works from home' (meaning staying home to take care of her 3 kids). That means you're going to be stuck with not only the bullshit work, but the bullshit work that provides little training or education, floating on your own island.

In short, I'd network at PFG/agents, despite their current struggles, and get your foot in the door. Don't try to start your IR career in-house. It'll be very sloppy and you just won't have the benefit of perspective and understanding what makes a GP good, bad or straight up shitty. Hope this is helpful. 

 

Can speak on the wholesale gig. Much more “salesy” then the other roles and a different career path. Much more about making outbound calls cold/warm and being available to assist the Vp who’s usually outside the office meeting with advisors. It’s a good gig but not in the weeds like the other roles. You won’t be working on due diligence and rfps even if you cover the institutional side, there’s a marketing team for that. Getting a seat in alts will make the convos more complex than annuities and generally pay more and build a better long term career value but working this job does set you up to remain in sales and have a decent ability to move around and switch roles within sales and IR.

 

Yep it’s a very good role for a young guy at a reputable big firm because unlike the old days of wholesales, majority of internals from the big spots move on to so many other roles like portfolio management, trading, institutional etc rather than going to external. Making external in general is very arbitrary and not guaranteed but once you do make it and get your reps you can remain as one forever across all firms unless you’re trash. Internal is something I’d say is like working as IB analyst in terms of exiting into other similar areas after two years.

Edit: all in comp can be anywhere from 55-90k or 100-150k or 125-200k generally. All depends on the product, firm and the territory.

 

How do hours look at PFGs for VPs and above that are doing fundraising and not the project mgmt side?

 

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