MF PE - Depressed and Burnt Out
I am only a few months into this job and I already feel extremely burnt out. The workload and expectations are so much worse than banking. People are not understanding and lack basic human decency. I have worked +16hrs a day including both weekend days since I joined. That is not an exaggeration either, a lot of the time it’s more than that. I am not looking for an award here, but I feel like literally no one gives a shit about my well being. I have not had a day off in almost two months - not talking about a PTO day, just any day, including a weekend, that I didn’t not have to work more than 12 hours in a period that I was awake.
I have made comments to my staffer and deal teams about being overwhelmed and not being able to get my stuff done, but they always just deflect and whatever work doesn’t end up getting done during the week just gets pushed to the weekend.
I feel so low right now and it’s seriously depressing to imagine this being my life for another month, let alone multiple years. I get home every day and the only thing I have to look forward to is going to bed.
I feel like I can’t quit because I spent so much time and effort to get this job in the first place. I came from a non-target and then grinded during off cycle to get this job during banking. If I leave now it was all for nothing. If I ever have kids or a family one day I think I would regret not trying hard for them. Idk what to do. There’s no real meaning to this post other than to write out my thoughts and maybe convince others that MF PE is not the holy grail you think it is.
In the exact same boat right now. Miserable.
It’s so terrible. I feel completely trapped. Really hard to comprehend that I am now even more miserable than I was in banking
OP~ What's your comp?
Do you have time to hit the gym?
Kids. Lesson here. H&F is not all it is cracked up to be
Anyone have a real idea about how things are like at H&F at the junior level?
90 hours a week is the norm and 110+ during deal sprints. Oh and youre not allowed to make any mistakes
But don’t H&F partners get paid billions?????? That will def be me !!!
1 million principal cash comp and 10m DAW for principals, juicy alright
H&F doesnt hire non targets but yeah MF not what its cracked up to be
hahaha nice try man! Trying to scare us prospects away from the dream with this post huh?!
Luckily I already placed at TPG HC during on-cycle. Heard they're a pretty chill group, I'm looking forward to learning a lot and interacting with high level company executives while growing my network. Can't wait to be done with all the meaningless banking work - am I right guys? See you on the other side soon buddy
Incoming “depressed tpg hc asso - feel trapped”
This was hilarious
This was hilarious
Adderall and Coupel of Energy Drinks.
Is TPG HC really sweatier than other MF groups?
It’s not meant to be sustainable.
Even though it gets better, it gets better in a different way. You generally need to be somewhat obsessive about this game and live this lifestyle standing on your head. Some people are just wired for it, if you’re exceptionally miserable, that’s information. Finish your program and calibrate your next gig for something “less bad”.
Would also say that being on a career track at a MF is very very political and you have to be a kool aid drinker. The people that do well at these places over the long term are more than happy to sacrifice their lifestyle/family time for the firm and are consummate “company men”. You need to be smart, charismatic, commercial, highly political, and have a very strong gag reflex for the koolaid you’ll be mainlining.
Just look at these Blackstone holiday videos or the Apollo Halloween pictures floating around on LinkedIn with people dressing their babies up in “Apollo Special Sauce” costumes. 🤮🤮🤮
those costumes man
😭😭
I noticed that successfull ppl in businesses which "crave" good PR (PE AND MBB) do tend to be koolaid drinkers. I was at a McKinsey event and everyone was acting like they're Greenpeace or smth and not a firm that doxxed political dissidents to MBS. Not even just faking it but straight up believing it
You need to think about what really matters to you and why you are doing it.
Some parts of this job are really exhausting and to succeed in the long term, you will need to build lots of resilience and an intrinsic ability to "pick yourself up" even when things are not going your way.
You are building some valuable skills that will serve you further down the line, maybe you will realize that you enjoy doing something else, but what you do today will put you in a good position for the future.
hey friend, so sorry to hear - i was in a similar boat as yours once upon a time.
i grew up quite poor, with scarce resources and opportunity - with most of my childhood and high school friends either going down a dark road in life or dead, unloved and forgotten.
after grinding for many years in awful public schools, i was very fortunate that a target school took a chance on me and gave a full ride, where an alum from a similar upbringing was generous enough to hook me up with an lmm pe buyside gig sophomore year and help me land an eb ibd gig junior year in a top group.
i will admit that i was definitely not ready for the eb my junior year, was likely the worst intern in the firm's history (probably still am), and, not surprisingly, i did not get a return offer, in addition to graduating into 08, with no job and my family unable to take care of me.
i was jobless for more than a year, working a series of odd jobs, from call center to tutoring, and wandered across multiple LCOL cities, before an lmm ibd took a chance on me.
the lmm ibd i worked at was a complete no-name in a lower tier city and management was both hostile and toxic. the founder was notorious in his industry for being hard to work with, and i worked on so many materials of deals that never came to be. coming from my internship experiences, target school, and dysfunctional upbringing, i felt like i was flying so high up in the sky and then fell down to earth to work with a bunch of miserable peasants. regardless, i put my head down, did my part not to rock the boat and do exactly what they told me without question, which allowed me to go unnoticed, before, after a long and grueling process of multiple months, i was offered a better spot with an eb lateral position.
from the eb, i made it to mf pe, and then to a sm hf.
while the eb, mf pe, and sm hf were all worlds apart better than the lmm ibd, all of them shared the common factors of grueling levels of work, toxic and hostile co-workers and managers, as well as failed deals.
in retrospect, my experiences allowed me to develop myself to the point where i was able to succeed at better firms, while also balancing that with providing for my family and enjoying all the little things in life.
above all else, i was very fortunate to have experienced failure while i was a junior in college and as a fresh graduate in 08 because it made me understand the industry and office politics better.
hear me out: it is MUCH BETTER to fail early on than later, especially down the road when you have a family and people who depend on you.
yes, my years in IBD + PE were indeed demanding and i was very tired, but it was and still is a lot of fun. i still am very tired, but i have no complaints and im glad that i did it.
bottom line, i am beyond grateful to the universe to work in a career that has been the greatest learning experience for me and one that allowed me to break the cycle of intergenerational poverty that has run deep in my family for so long.
im also very fortunate that my kids will never have to experience the struggle that i grew up with.
there is no success without failure, so my advice is to NEVER GIVE UP!!!
take time off if you can, lateral to a different pe firm or hf when the economy gets better, but NEVER GIVE UP!!! because your future self will thank you for it.
play the long game and do things today that your future self will thank you for, always.
may investor's fortune smile on your efforts and life!!
Thank you.
Thank you. This is a refreshing perspective - you have a very inspiring story and I can relate to many things that you mentioned. I appreciate your candor
You are the goddamn American dream. Thanks for sharing . Super inspirational.
Do you really think the MF PE piece , looking back , was that formative for your career versus if you had gone to a smaller ship ?
Curious what you’re up to now ?
yes, my eb ibd + mf pe experiences were what set me up to be at the sm hf where i am at.
furthermore, investment banking was the greatest learning experience of my life for me because i learned about what i liked and what i did not - i went from working at a no-name lmm shop surrounded by people i hated to an eb good group working under MDs who i respected and had way more experience than i did.
given how my junior year internship went, i thought that i would never enter another eb office ever again, but it all worked out in the end.
even though i had an awful experience at the lmm ibd shop, and still have a dim view of the organization, i am still grateful to them for allowing me to gain a stepping stone to bigger and better things.
Thank you for posting your story!
What did you expect? That's how you make money when you have no real utility to society. You have to work a lot.
Crush down more. Use all possible resources to make work easier. Also, realize that you are still early in the process. Also - seek advice from trusted peers and those classes above.
Was in a similar boat, besides all the advice of toughening it out / it gets better I wish I had also tried to recruit out for a MM / LMM that was actual good WLB & culture.
Story of MF -> hate it I’m out of finance is all too common. Would try to put out feelers in Dec / Jan to see if any funds are taking on folks
My 2 cents looking back
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