Requesting Some Career Feedback

Hi folks,

I am currently in an odd phase of my career where I'm not sure what to do next given some recent turbulence in my career. I don't really have anyone I can turn to for advice so figured I'd reach out here for some general feedback (not a career anyone in my entire extended family knows anything about, and I'm a little shy to reach out to my former senior colleagues lol). Would sincerely appreciate any thoughts here as I try to figure out my path forward. Will provide as much information as I can without self-doxxing, hopefully. 

This has gotten really long now that I've typed it out - so TLDR: Career all over the place including 4+ years of PE at analyst and associate level, some corp dev, and most recent co-leading tech venture/growth strategy. Unfortunately no real deals closed in 3 years and current firm winding down. Frustrated with myself, trying to maximize comp, want to be close to family in state where no industry exists. Not getting many looks in recruiting. Should I stay in PE? Pursue IB instead? Is this a pivot thats feasible? B School? Appreciate y'alls time and thoughts!

  • Background - Just turned 30 years old, single, moved to the US as a political refugee when I was a child.
  • Education - Studied biology at a lower-tiered Ivy, pivoted from pre-med career aspirations to finance in my senior year [no academic issues, just need to support family asap, did not have 5-7 years flexibility]. Extended graduation 1 semester to get finance internship experience, took finance/corp. finance classes, took MBA level classes for intro to IB, modeling.
  • Internship - NYC Healthcare bank working for an MD who specialized in PIPEs. Very learn teams so got to do a variety of things in preparing materials for various clients. During the semester I also did grunt work for some search funds.  
  • 1st Job - PE Analyst to Associate (Generalist, 2.5 years total) at $100bn+ AUM. Great way to formally cut my teeth in the industry, really enjoyed working across industry verticals and asset classes (primarily direct buytouts and some real estate buyouts). Lean teams, learned basics of underwriting, technical skills, process management, etc. Got some large deals closed, got a good amount of screening reps that died in early stages of IC, got good amount of deals that went very far process-wise. In lieu of proper banking experience, felt very grateful for this experience. Some of my associates/sr. associates would give me a ton of their work (relative to my peers in our class) which I felt was very helpful for my development. The hours at this firm were very intense, but I sincerely enjoyed the work and culture - although the compensation was the lowest end of the market. Left this firm because of life curve-balls.
  • 2nd Job - Non-M&A Corp Dev (2 years). COVID comes around and due to longstanding family issues I had to move closer to home to help sort things out (eldest of my siblings, no other option here) and put the PE career on pause. Did some strategy and ops work which was a new skillset to learn, but candidly the pace, intensity, and fullfilment just weren't there for me. Felt like my prior experience made me really efficient and I had a lot of time to work on side projects (tried launching 2 failed businesses, invested in many startups, started doing advisory work on the side). Left this firm to get back into PE once family issues were resolved.
  • 3rd Job - PE associate (almost 2 years, generalist) at multi-strategy single family office. Can't give too much info on the family here, but the fund was run like a proper PE fund with a focus on structured growth equity. We evaluated buyouts, lead growth equity, 50/50 co-investments, minority co-investments, and regional fund investments. Essentially the same level of rigor, underwriting standards, and process management as my first fund. To the best of my understanding, some family offices are "lighter touch" in deal execution - sometimes relying on other parties' diligence and piggy-backing deals. My experience here did not reflect this, it felt purely additive to my prior fund, not a step back. I was the 3rd hire on this team (we grew from 2 team members prior to my joining, to 4 team members before I left). I took this gig because (a) was seriously impressed and wanted to work with the VP here and (b) felt like other firms weren't giving me a serious look given my 2 year break from PE. Great experience continuing to refine my underwriting skillset (diligence, process management, modeling, etc). I brought a few of my own deals to IC (one deal that I handled 100% end-to-end even got approved although it blew up in negotiations). Left this firm because of (a) comp and (b) desire to invest in tech deals (which is largely what I had brought to my firms IC but the firm expressed reticence in the vertical). Note, only deals closed here were small fund deals but we had a TON of opportunities explode for one reason or another at the 99-yard line (e.g., full IC approval but failed negotiations as we pushed for more value).
  • 4th Job - Sr. Associate (1 year) at a tech investment firm (early stage, growth, and tech funds). I was the 2nd hire for the US office of a foreign entity. Again, can't say much more but the pitch I was sold was the firm had a large balance sheet and wanted to build the next big asset manager and I could be at the ground floor helping to establish its presence. This was awesome for the first 6+ months - I owned most of the investment strategy, as our Head of US essentially let me run with it as long as I also helped out on their deals. Got to meet some amazing founders and pitched some opportunities that would have been great investments. Unfortunately, we didn't have a committed capitial vehicle at the time, and thus our deployments were supposed to be carved out from other teams abroad. They had no incentive to help us and so every deal we worked on was stalled in IC before dying almost always from lack of feedback in a timely manner. Eventually, our mandate shifted twice before I found out in December, our firm has decided to shut down its US office and my team is being disbanded. Note, in this role I definitely grew a ton in my sourcing and process management. Although, the underwriting here was not as rigorous as my other 2 buy-side roles because our deals kept dying very early given the poor corporate governance internally. I took a chance on this opportunity and it blew up in my face.

-Some Frustrations-

I am at a stage now where I don't really know what to do next. I feel like I've hopped around a few different strategies and geographies. I worked pretty hard in the roles I've had and, although I'm extremely grateful for the breadth of experiences, I'm kind of on an island with nothing to show for it. 

I really enjoy the concept of private markets investing. I was a relatively successful debater in school and investing seems analogous to building a thesis, defending it with rigorous analysis that evaluates all sides of a position, and being rewarded for having skin in the game. I enjoy working with teams and have an immense respect for all my former colleagues who've helped train me. 

But I have some frustrations with the job, too. I'm sure we all have "I told you so's" and I am also keenly aware that there's some selection bias at play, but I feel like my anti-portfolio (deals I brought or advocated for that weren't done) is pretty solid. In my last two gigs, although it was for different reasons, it felt like my hands were tied behind my back with good opportunities being passed for reasons unrelated to the strength of the investment itself. I understand deals dying is par for the course in this game and have never historically had a problem with it, nor am I beholden to the idea of "my" deal being the one that needs to succeed. I think I've always been a team player. It's just frustrating when sometimes you don't get a fair shake. When deals aren't getting done, it begs the question what you're spending your life doing. Not to say we should do deals for the sake of doing deals. But it really becomes unfulfilling when you're in a constant cycle of doing work that leads nowhere for reasons that are unrelated to the quality of an investment. 

My other main frustration is compensation. Historically Ive been at firms where compensation has been on the lower end of the market. My first firm I made $130k a year by the time I left. I was working 80-100 hours most of my tenure, which I didn't mind given the quality of the experience. At my 2nd PE gig I was working similar hours for $250k all in and got offered $500k in carry after my final review. I felt this was still on the lower end for the amount of work I was doing. My most recent firm had really attractive base compensation but we aren't getting bonuses since we're winding down. I've become somewhat disillusioned with the idea of carry as well, given what I've read and heard about peoples' experiences with delays in seeing liquidity. Seems like the promise of long-term incentives is illusory at some firms, and might not be worth it relative to other options that compensate you earlier. 

At 30 years old, with a variety of experiences but seemingly no clear narrative, I realize that my next move matters a ton. I'd like to be at my next firm for 5-7 years and really build some upside for myself and contribute meaningfully to a mission. I want to plant my flag and stop moving around so much. I think when firms see my resume, they see too sporadic of a track record. I think folks with a more traditional path (IB to PE, fewer places worked, etc) are more likely to get looks for premier positions. 

-Some Reflections-

  • If I could have my cake and eat it, too, I'd love to have a position where I can have decent compensation on annual basis, a clear path to meaningful upside, and flexibility to be near my family. Probably what we all want lol.
  • I don't mind the hours of any gig per se (although as I'm getting older my endurance is waning lol). I have hobbies but I'm kind of married to the grind in that I spend a lot of my free time hustling (tinkering on side projects, sourcing new deals, reading about the space).
  • I want to work in a field where I'm actually providing value. Buyside can create value over time, sell-side can provide value to clients immediately, being a founder can create value over time. I really want to avoid asking myself "what was the point of all that effort?" in my next role.
  • Over the last few months I've been able to work remote. I have really enjoyed being closer to my extended family. For the first 5-6 years of my career I had been away and its been incredibly fulfilling to be able to see everyone again regularly. I would love to be able to visit family regularly if I'm not living in my home state (near the west coast). That means places like NYC are lower priority as opposed to SF, Seattle, Dallas, Austin. I realize I probably will have to move as my home state doesn't have any PE/IB presence, and industry is lacking. Remote gigs that compensate well are few and far between, if they exist at all.
  • I'd like to be in a lower cost of living area to save more, as I don't mind not having the amenities of a big city, however I know the highest levels of compensation are generally in more expensive cities.
  • When I evaluate my skillset, I think I have decent relationship management skills, pattern recognition for what makes good investments (at the risk of seeing things too rosy eyed at times), ability to thoroughly diligence and craft arguments/memos, and willingness to run through walls when the team needs it. I think my modeling is a little rusty but could be brought up to speed quickly, but at times I feel like I've forgotten everything about corporate finance/accounting. I'd like to think I don't have an ego and people enjoy working with me.
  • I have very little savings for where I'm at in my career. Through a combination of lower compensated jobs, paying for family expenses (sibilings undergraduate education, parents sustainenance, etc), business endeavours that failed, and investing in way too many startups that saw great paper marks but not real liquidity, I feel like I don't have a real safety cushion.
  • I think I want to prioritize short-medium term compensation over everything else for the next ~3 years to be able to build a safety cushion that can allow me reasonable optionality to take lower compensation gigs later on that allows me to (a) see my extended family and (b) support a future family of my own. 

-Conclusions-

So, the big question, what should I do and how should I go about executing on that path? If I could work at a high compensation firm even if I had to work 100 hours in my home city, I'd do it in a heartbeat regardless of strategy - but realistically that's not going to happen. In the last 3 years, although there were some very strong late stage deal reps, unfortunately I did not close anything meaningful besides some fund investments. Given some rust, I'm doubting my ability to stack up to the more pedigreed candidates at normal MF recruiting. I know I'm willing to roll up my sleeves and grind as hard as the next teammate when on the job, but feel like I am not getting many looks in applications (casting a wide net right now). If PE is getting concentrated and upside is becoming more illusory than tangibile, I am not sure I even want to dive back into the fire. But, what else could I be doing? Investing is fun and I have enjoyed the nature of the job, just had issues with renumeration in my experience. I am not sure I'd enjoy corp dev. I don't know if I have it in me to keep taking risks like an entrepeneur or that I have any creative ideas that would justify a startup at this stage. 

It seems like the two paths in front of me are (a) another investing gig or (b) sell-side work. In recent months I started doing some sell-side advisory work on the side with some very nascent boutique firms started by friends. I've found the process to be refreshing relative to investing as one can see immediate value provided to clients (even if its fleeting). However, I haven't been doing it long enough to know if I'd truly enjoy it in the long haul. 

I don't even know if I'd be good enough to break into a reputable sell-side firm. Or if a good buyside firm will even entertain me given my career trajectory. I really don't want to go to B school to reset my branding but that may be the only option to use time productively while I continue soul searching.

If I wanted to go to a bank, would I be able to break in at the Sr. Asc. level or above? Could I be a reasonable candidate for Sr. Asc/AVP at a PE firm? A major concern I have is joining a new firm at a more junior level - not because I care about titles but more so because I'd rather not take a step backwards in compensation. What should I do to make sure I'm optimizing my chances at recruiting? 

I know this is all over the place and its silly that I've even typed this up but would sincerely appreciate some crowd-sourced feedback. 

Thanks all!

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Gents my apologies for the delayed update here, got caught up in a few different threads (some sell side advisory side projects, some buy side advisory side projects, got incredibly sick for nearly a month, etc). Responding to my own comment but will address a few separate comments from folks. Officially 6-weeks since my firm shut down as I write this update.

First, some of you generously offered your time and feedback connecting with me offline to help reframe my situation and how to evaluate next steps. I sincerely appreciate it, it means a lot. I'll share some of that advice below after addressing some misc. thoughts.

Second, @ezbread I'll hit you up in your DMs!

Third, @SaaSmaster thank you for your advice and feedback, it's most certainly welcome.

  • On deals - I spoke to a friend regarding deal exposure, and he said the fact that I had a few opportunities at my prior firm go through confirmatory due diligence is a plus, even if they didn't close; gives me a little more confidence here to discuss the deep processes I was a part of. I'll talk about this below but I also have started doing ad hoc sell side and buy side consulting work to get exposure to things I haven't done before (sell-side process management) and refresh on PE/buy-side work. Still more to do!

  • Regarding MBA - First, I had no appreciation at all for how difficult post-associate recruiting might be. I may have been more conservative in my choices here otherwise lol. I always thought if you do excellent work and have people who can vouch for you, doors would remain open in abundance. Perhaps the market just isn't as favorable but this has been sobering. I'll address this below too in depth - but I really, really do not want to go back to school. The opportunity cost of working versus the financial setback from tuition feels like a last ditch emergency lever that I wanted to avoid pulling at all costs. That being said, I may NOT have another option with as high a probability of "righting the ship" so to speak. I was told by a gentleman that I more or less have 2 years to apply to B-School to maximize odds of getting into a top program (as otherwise I'll be 10-years out of undergrad which lowers odds). If I choose not to get an MBA, I have to face the reality of (a) a difficult recruiting cycle and (b) ending up in a shop where the odds of a favorable outcome are just lower (i.e. ending up at a tier 3 fund and needing to get lucky). 

  • Regarding Narrative - First, appreciate the kind words man. I think I've always been willing to back myself and the inputs I control - effort and care for the work. Naturally, I had less appreciation for things that are outside my control, this period of a little bit of bad luck has helped me realize I probably need to be a little less risk forward in future career decisions. Notably, I have always approached joining a firm with the intention of being there for the long haul - I've only ever left when (a) I didn't have a choice or (b) it became clear that my growth may have been stunted (for example, I wanted to specialize in tech investing at my prior PE firm but my CIO changed mandates and it became clear this wouldn't be possible unless I went to a new firm).

  • On Leveraging Network - Yes, I'm very grateful that at every PE firm I've worked at, very senior folks can vouch for my effort and contribution to the teams I've been blessed to have worked with. I got my last gig by sharing my performance reviews from the firm prior. I have a great relationship with all the investment members at my last two firms and to the extent reference checks occur I know they'll help me out. These people are absolutely in my corner and I'm extremely grateful for them; this is the single factor I am most confident about in my search for a new role. In terms of asking them to essentially hook me up with interviews, it is a mixed bag. Some of the positions they lobbed at me just weren't the right fits (I'm trying to be more disciplined this go around!!) and others I haven't asked yet for the favor - perhaps I should be asking them, too. My most recent boss is trying to spin something up and wants me to be a part of it. Even if it doesn't convert, it feels good to know that people I've worked with actually trust and value me as a team member. If I can convince new platforms of this, I think they'd take a chance on me, too. There were a couple of connections I made in the last year (not part of my firm) that I had wanted to join as I was seriously impressed by their platforms, but they let me know they aren't hiring currently (hopefully this isn't a polite way of saying "no chance" haha).

  • On Intentionality and Priorities - Man this is the biggest barrier to my picking a direction and running with it. I really love the job but I don't want to end up at a platform I'm not excited to be at. I've asked myself a ton of quesitons regarding what I want out of life and it seems my answers shift from day to day. I have had very late stage interviews with a few firms already and I basically let them know if I felt the fit wasn't exactly right (strategy, comp, role, etc) . I realize compromises will inevitably need to be made, but I haven't figured out what I'm willing to give up, yet. I think I'm moving closer to an answer (i.e. maximize for career for the next 5 years and try to pivot back to family thereafter) but I'm still not sold. I'm taking a lot of interviews and trying to fill my time with tons of project work, consulting work, and individual tinkering to try and see if that will clear anything up for me. Hoping I get clarity sooner rather than later.

Lastly, a gentleman (thank you again!) who values his anonymity gave me some feedback I wanted to flag below:

  • Candidly the bouncing around will not be looked at favorably, even if it was out of my control. The odds of getting into a top tier established platform were low.
    • Advised me to view my future options through a probability-weighted-outcome lens. What are the odds that the next choice I make achieves the goals I want? Mentioned that if I'm no longer comfortable taking risks on unproven platforms, I'd be better off taking the safest path even if it means a less than ideal road (e.g., more schooling before work).
  • B-School is the single highest probability path to a career reset and that my window for getting this done would also close at the 10-years of work experience post undergrad mark, too. Advised that I consider the timely nature of this option. 
    • If I go to B-School, I should be aware that I'd still likely be recruited as a Senior Associate for at least a year by major investment firms. 
    • He let me know that some of my personal life experiences may be viewed well by admissions.
    • He affirmed that in the real world B-school prestige doesn't matter that much as long as you can get into a top 15-ish program, that's the bar that is required to reset.
  • If I stay in PE right now, odds are that I may have to opt for a tier 3 type firm or a new spin-out shop. In which case I may need to get very lucky to have a favorable average outcome (relative to an established shop) AND I may have to compromise on compensation in the short term.
  • I asked him about pivoting into banking, he said banking may be a good option but coming back to the buyside thereafter would be incredibly difficult if not impossible.
    • Mentioned that banking may open more doors to high-level corp dev if I had an interest in that.
    • I asked him how bankers might view some of the project work I've been doing, he mentioned that since the deal size is not large it might not be super value add, but bankers may appreciate the fact that I've shown entrepreneurial hustle.
    • Mentioned that may have to come in as an associate for this route, too.
  • He mentioned as well that the odds of having a "golden path" in PE are lower than they used to be a decade ago, advised that even if I stay in PE I recalibrate what a "good outcome" looks like.
    • Mentioned that the two ways to make it now were (a) get lucky at a small platform that grows with you or (b) do a 15+year tour of duty at a mega platform.
    • Mentioned that in tech investing in particular the space has become hyper saturated and finding investments with meat on the bone and opportunities for liquidity is becoming rarer. Mentioned that multiple contraction and tech disruption may also further encumber the space.

Hopefully the above advice is helpful to anyone who finds themselves in a similiar situation. For myself, I'm going to keep asking myself the important questions, going to keep applying to all sorts of roles, and try my best to get the exposure needed to make a decision in the next few months. I've spent a ton of time in the last few weeks also working on startup ideas (consumer products, education tech apps, some investing related products, etc). In the midst of all the uncertainty and stress of not having a clear path forward, some of this work has been incredibly fun it its own right.

I'll provide an update again when I have more clarity on what I'm doing next. Thanks again all for the feedback.

 
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I don’t think I’m the right person but given the lack of responses some initial thoughts:
- Deals are scarce for everyone these days. Especially given the macro environment plus getting to mid level means you typically have less volume than associate in a built out team. Just to say you’re not alone in feeling this rust / lack of impact etc
- Recruitment is also not easy post Associate. Have you considered an MBA with a scholarship?
- I think you need to create a very clear narrative for why you made these moves. What is the through line? For me, there are two stories you need to weave together: supporting your family and willingness to take risk. The part that makes it difficult in my mind is the 4th move and the fact that you got quite unlucky. I would try to think about the positive spin to this which is that you were braver than 99% of us on here for (1) taking a step back from your career to support your family and (2) taking risk with joining new platforms
- Given your situation, I would leverage your network to source jobs. Presumably at your prior funds you have people who you worked closely with and can vouch for you assuming your performance is strong. See what advice they have and any one in their network that is hiring or can point you in the right direction
- Would be very intentional in whatever your next move is and make sure it’s what you want and there’s not a sense of greener grass still to chase if possible
- You will likely have to make compromises on what you want so take the time to reflect on ranking your priorities (easier said than done)

 

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