Worst UMM/MF Groups to Avoid
A day late lol but could people list (and please provide at least some rationale so it’s not just a hate-fest) the groups we should try to avoid?
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TPG HC
Apollo FIG
why apo fig? feel free to dm if preferred, very curious
Apollo infra
Veritas
will second veritas and TPG HC. not only is TPG HC brutal but its in SF which makes it doubly bad
Why is veritas so bad
Crazy managing partner who has his hands in too many things (creates more work + fear culture), suit & tie every day, and weekend work (Saturday and Sunday) is standard.
Veritas for culture, Carlyle cause it’s trash lol
Cd&r industrials, KKR consumer, tpg healthcare
Any firms known for good culture
No.
Any more color on why you say these three? Have heard things about CD&R Industrials and TPG HC before but not KKR Consumer
Apollo; they pay top of street for a reason. The working hours and asshole behavior at Apollo makes every other MF look like they have great culture. Heard really bad things about Centerbridge, Golden Gate, Audax, MDP, GIP, Searchlight; this is to say firms with aholes and bad working hours. Every firm at the UMM/MF level has bad working hours / hours related problems, but I certainly would rather grind it out with people that are good to work for (this is IMO very much real at many funds). Also will note; although there is some baseline level to culture, it's also subjective. For example, I am sure a mormon (founded by all mormons) who loves the Niners would think HGGC has great culture (heard lots of hours but nice people, though working for Steve Young would be very cool).
Can you explain more on HGGC?
Not much to it outside of it's founded by a bunch of mormons and their leadership reflects that. The top guys there are very family values types that are broadly nice as people, so that is present throughout the firm. They are very sweaty given velocity of add-ons. Steve Young as a co-founder and chairman is a + to that; heard he's great to work for, just a very nice dude and can motivate people well.
Heard from a former associate that HGGC had OK culture but not particularly great. She wasn’t Mormon though.
Its also squarely a mid market firm re: this thread on UMM/MF
Funny thing is most of these are mid market funds. Conclusion: might as well at least get paid
All of them
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