Career Path Advice - CRE Debt

I’m an associate with four years of experience in asset management.

I worked on equity deals for the first two years — all asset classes and geographies, across the risk spectrum.

I transitioned to the debt side and have spent the last two years working on a portfolio of distressed legacy core workouts and high yield bridge debt loans.

While I expect to continue gaining valuable experience through the rest of the cycle, I’m open to making the right move at any time.

My jump to the debt side was opportunistic, so I’m unsure of the best progression from here. Without getting into details, the nature of this work could open a variety of doors.

What would you do?

Addtl. Info:

  • I oversee and directly manage multiple analysts.
  • My reputation my current company is good. However, I’ve narrowed my path on Debt AM with the progression only involving the typical gradual shift to more managerial/strategic responsibilities.
  • I work 70-80 hours with occasional 90-100 weeks. Working fewer hours is a priority — I am willing to sacrifice progression/prestige for better WLB.
  • I’m not interested in an MBA.
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Based on the most helpful WSO content, here are some insights and advice for your career path in CRE Debt:

Current Role and Experience:

  • Asset Management Experience: Four years, with two years on equity deals and two years on the debt side.
  • Portfolio Management: Handling distressed legacy core workouts and high yield bridge debt loans.
  • Management Responsibilities: Overseeing and directly managing multiple analysts.
  • Reputation: Good standing within your current company.

Career Considerations:

  1. Work-Life Balance (WLB):

    • You currently work 70-80 hours per week, with occasional peaks of 90-100 hours.
    • Prioritizing fewer working hours is important to you, even if it means sacrificing some progression or prestige.
  2. Progression in Debt Asset Management:

    • The typical progression involves a gradual shift to more managerial and strategic responsibilities.
    • Your current role has already narrowed your path to Debt Asset Management.
  3. Opportunities and Flexibility:

    • Your experience in both equity and debt, especially in distressed and high-yield scenarios, opens various doors.
    • You are open to making the right move at any time, indicating flexibility and readiness for new opportunities.

Potential Career Moves:

  1. Lateral Move within Asset Management:

    • Consider roles that offer a better work-life balance while leveraging your debt and equity experience.
    • Look for firms or positions that emphasize a healthier work culture.
  2. Transition to a Different Sector:

    • Explore opportunities in sectors that value your skill set but may offer better work-life balance, such as corporate finance or real estate development.
    • Consulting roles in real estate or finance could also be a good fit, providing strategic insights without the intense hours.
  3. Internal Shift to Strategic Roles:

    • Within your current company, seek out roles that focus more on strategy and less on day-to-day management.
    • Positions in corporate strategy or business development might align with your desire for fewer hours and more strategic involvement.
  4. Networking and Industry Connections:

    • Leverage your good reputation and network within the industry to explore opportunities that might not be publicly advertised.
    • Attend industry events and engage with professionals in roles that interest you to gain insights and potential job leads.

Additional Considerations:

  • No MBA: Since you are not interested in pursuing an MBA, focus on gaining certifications or attending workshops that can enhance your strategic and managerial skills.
  • Long-Term Goals: Reflect on your long-term career goals and how each potential move aligns with them. Consider both professional satisfaction and personal well-being.

By evaluating these options and aligning them with your priorities, you can make an informed decision that balances career progression with a better work-life balance.

Sources: Fork in the road: Career path in Asset Management, Lesser known MBA career options? Looking for advice on what to do post-HBS., My Path - MBA Banking Associate to PE, Post MBA IB associates, how did you know you could handle the life?, Q&A: From Big4 Audit -> Big4 Advisory -> MBA -> AM Portfolio Manager

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What’s your total comp? I have to assume you’re in NYC with those hours, pretty brutal. Come to the west coast and work fewer hours tor the same money. Good debt funds will pay you well. I am on the originations side and sometimes wish I did AM so I could have more predictable hours. Our AM guys work hard but they don’t have last minute deal sprints like originations 

 

Associate 1 in RE - Comm:

What’s your total comp? I have to assume you’re in NYC with those hours, pretty brutal. Come to the west coast and work fewer hours tor the same money. Good debt funds will pay you well. I am on the originations side and sometimes wish I did AM so I could have more predictable hours. Our AM guys work hard but they don’t have last minute deal sprints like originations 


Thanks for the note.


I’m based on the west coast. ~$200K all in. What is the typical comp package for an associate in originations? I’ve enjoyed working with debt funds a lot more than lifecos.


AM is typically much more predictable in terms of hours. Can get into a crunch when fires pop up and around reporting deadlines. I’m in an outlier situation due to an aggressive # of loans per seat.

 
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It’s everyone you would think. And yeah you can make that much after two years at Eastdil but it’s tough in this market as you’re competing with people already working in RE Debt/Equity investing roles. Will be easy when things heat back up 

Fortress

Oaktree

Ares

Beach Point Capital

GLP Capital Partners

Cerberus

Affinius

PIMCO

Blackstone

Brookfield

Almanac Realty

Alliance Bernstein (can’t 100% confirm but believe so based on recruiter posting)

This is just off the top of my head. There are definitely others. Pretty much any respectable PE group will be in the $250k - $300k range. Some of the groups above pay even more than that 

 

Associate 1 in RE - Comm:

Originations associate comp is $275k at my firm.





i definitely think you could be making more money for the hours. Are you at a top tier firm in SF / LA? I’ve realized that hours and comp are not correlated one to one. If you go work for a top tier firm, you may work the same hours for an extra $100k at the associate level

I agree and this is helpful.

I don’t want to make a move just to end up working the same hours. It isn’t how I want live. Even the senior guys at these type of shops are ripping emails and reviewing models after hours and on the weekends.

I still want engaging work and I have a desire to work hard. But I want that to be on my terms. To feel like I’m getting ahead or sharing in upside vs. doing it for the ‘culture’ and drinking from the fire hose every day.

 

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