Construction software
Which one should I use for my real estate development business, procore or buildertrend for construction management software?
Which one should I use for my real estate development business, procore or buildertrend for construction management software?
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Procore is the gold standard for construction management software. Most people would recommend it and would be the most likely to have familiarity with it.
As far as it relates to development though, I'm not sure how relevant it is. It's mostly a tool for project level budgeting and construction documentation tracking (RFI's, submittals, change orders, etc.)
I've heard of Northspyre being useful for pulling historical cost data for developers, other than that though I don't think there are many software platforms specifically geared towards the development process (I could be completely wrong).
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I've seen you comment this before - can you give me any further examples of why? We are seriously evaluating Northspyre and some advice would be helpful.
I like procore best but only thing is if your project is not big enough then the cost is not worth it. Below 10 mil and I won’t even think about using it and just do excel and MS projects.
Fieldwire and BIM make decent stuff too but again only feasible if you are doing mega projects. Most small time CM work is basically excel and MS projects.
Procore. But it is crazy expensive.
Procore charges you a % on hard cost. Northspyre is stupid expensive. We looked at each other after both meetings completely failing to understand why we’d spend so much on a helpful but unnecessary tool
Autodesk has various lines of products you can explore. Autodesk build is akin to procore , and acquired plangrid within the past 5 years
I believe Argus also has a version of their software that's tailored for development rather than existing assets. Curious how well this work and how much its capabilities overlap with Procore for owners, Northspyre, Rabbet, etc.
For what it's worth, I work at a GP developer and have never heard of anyone using ARGUS Developer at my firm or any of our peers.
I’m sort of confused. Was this for a developer or a construction management team? If developer, and you aren’t inputting contracts and forecasting/budgeting at the granular level, why would you need it at all? If it’s for draw requests and forecasting/budgeted a development, the construction team should be able to provide you with everything needed, even if external. Paying for a service to have your GC send you pay apps is useless unless they simply are inept and can’t provide you with the correct numbers and detail to back it up, which at that point, they wouldn’t be a partner lol
There are tons of development project costs that don't flow through the GC's monthly applications for payment: acquisition costs, legal fees, architects, engineers, utility connection fees, and so on. As projects get bigger and more complex, it seems reasonable for the developer to use some internal system to track projected cashflow and line-item budgeting.
Sure, to your last part. But having done 4+ years of massive, multiple billions or dollars of dev budgeting and tracking many moons ago, your soft + hard costs can be thrown into a Northspyre (used to use textura) and the construction management/accounting team tracks all of that and manages for you, not the development team. The developer then uses an excel model to gather for draws or any sort of reporting at the dev level to customize per project and partner. By no means at all do you need a software system to track legal fees or any of this stuff at the small dev scale. Even at the large dev scale, you run a GL report from your accounting software and pivot table it. You don’t need a software to do that for you….
Using a product like Northspyre is exactly what I'm talking about. As to who manages it: roles tend to be pretty fluid across companies in the industry, so I'm sure it falls to different people depending on the company. That said, I believe that Northspyre and Rabbet are designed to be used by people on a typical development team- not the CEO or a senior partner, necessarily, but certainly a development associate level person. Also, I think one of the main purposes of those programs is to make draw requests happen with a click of a button- you shouldn't need to export stuff to excel for that.
Agree that this is one way to do it. But, in my experience, it's not real-time and it's more labor-intensive than it sounds. Maybe it depends on how much the accounting department has its shit together. When you're spending tens or hundreds of millions in hard costs and millions in soft costs, having a program that makes the dev cost tracking real-time and seamless could be worth a fair amount of money.
I’m honestly more confused what your point is now than my original post, where I was asking the OP who’s using the software. If a development team is properly staffed, and also has a construction management oversight team since these are massive projects you’re talking about, the process typically falls on the construction accounting team to process all bills and payments against the sub contracts and their forecasted total cost. Those sub contracts forecasted spend is what the entire budget gets built on. BUT, before there are forecasted numbers in a software program to even track something, it starts with an excel model with a built up underwriting model that describes what the total budget for the development is. The teams then go out and negotiate the contracts against that budget, the built up total budget we discussed before, before they get input into these accounting systems. Always, these contracts tell you the total negotiated price for the total amount of work needed, and bills actuals against the forecast and reduces the “to-be-let” accounts.. This is all managed in the construction teams accounting software, like Textura (now owned by Oracle). This specific software is to manage change orders and other forecasted changes, and it’s most helpful at the sub level for the accountants to track because it’s an accounting program, not a development software. The accountants then post all payables from the month on the GL and you can quickly extract that data and pivot table it against each subs forecasted total with forecasted total, total spend to date and to be let... No system needed what so ever from the development team on top of the construction accounting software. You have the same accounting software with the rest of the development costs like marketing, legal, owners costs, etc, and you can effectively and precisely manage these devs up to the minute. The old school way I guess…
Pretty much this - unless you have an extremely robust Construction team in-house there's no reason for a developer to shell out the obscene amount of money for detailed construction budgeting software. Your GC will give you a budget, but as a developer all you really care about is your total construction costs line and where you're at relative to budget.
You can always have your accountants track granular costs in excel if you want to know where specific materials are at, but the only developers I know that do that (or that have construction budgeting software) are in the multinational, $20B+ AUM category.
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