D/E Placement vs. Investment Sales

** Institutional Brokerage **

I am trying to figure out the best path to start out in. As the title states, I am having to pick between D/E Placement and Investment Sales at a large institutional brokerage. For the purpose of this post, just assume that I would be on a top team in either role…. I know it will be team dependent. Still unsure if my end goal is to go into production at the institutional firm or go into the buy side but would like to use this forum as a pros/cons list for both. What are the exit opportunities for DE Placement and Investnent Sales? What kind of comp should I expect in both roles at an analyst level and as you move up into production? Any insight into switching to buy side vs staying at an institutional shop long term would be greatly beneficial as well. Thanks!

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Investment sales > D/E Placement because as a good underwriter in investment sales you'll do all the analysis a debt & equity broker would do, including loan modeling for your 10 year cash flows and IRR models. 

 You learn good habits on the D/E side, but the xp for investment sales is like mythic.

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hobbits:

Investment sales > D/E Placement because as a good underwriter in investment sales you'll do all the analysis a debt & equity broker would do, including loan modeling for your 10 year cash flows and IRR models. 



 You learn good habits on the D/E side, but the xp for investment sales is like mythic.


Thank you! Do you have any insights into what kind of comp to expect in either role?
Is there a greater barrier to entry to one over the other usually?

 

Pretty similar. I'm not sure when you say "institutional firm" - is it a brokerage or a firm that owns assets?

It honestly depends on what you're most interested in - you can make a good living on both sides. 

For D/E, unless it is a niche firm or you are doing 2nd mortgages, preferred equity, etc. - unless you're doing that, you won't be doing 10 year cash flow projections, you'll probably miss out on Argus, and you'll miss out on most stuff that is below the NOI. That is why I say investment sales > D/E. 

Investment sales also allow you to be more flexible on your exit later in your career, you can go any buy side role, while D/E locks you up in financing / capital markets even for buy side.

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Here's my general comparison [at the junior level] after working as both:

D/E:

  • Significantly more in-depth knowledge of the whole transaction. Will get in the weeds on all loan due diligence, as well as title & escrow matters, insurance policy procurement, third-party report origination & review, legal (really get to understand how an org chart can be structured)
  •  Assuming equivalent deal flow, likely greater earning potential as an analyst. D/E teams are usually W2'd w/ the company, and bonuses get paid out on a somewhat predictable and prorata basis. In IS, your seniors' are 1099'd and bonus comp is almost solely at their discretion. Lots of senior folks in IS had to eat shit coming up and think its a right of passage for you to do the same. 
  • Ability to build more focused relationships with individual clients due to the general lack of geographical restriction on where you can transact.
  • Ability to build a good career off the back of 2-4 strong client relationships. 
  • Assuming your clients have a repeatable and successful business plan and are well capitalized, the actual work once you get established is significantly easier in D/E. Doing repeat agency deals with a low-maintenance client is a fucking cake walk compared to having to go through the dog & pony show of an IS deal (win the listing, tour the asset, drum up competition, best & final, 2nd best & final, blah blah blah). 

IS:

  • Significantly more exposure to a broader range of clients. You will be constantly getting in front of engaged groups with BOV & OM requests.
  • Depending on deal size, I think the overall earning potential for a junior producer is greater in IS vs D/E. The lack of geographic restraints in D/E is a pro for established banker, but a con when you're trying to establish yourself and competing against the entire industry to secure clients. Also, you're earning fees on the total transaction amount in IS vs just the loan % in D/E.  The overall fee %, especially on smaller deal, is usually greater in IS (brokers working on $3M - $7M can often command 2% - 4% fees on the sale price while lenders are kind of stuck being capped at a 1% fee on the loan amount).
  • On the same note as above, there is less competition in the middle-market space / sub institutional space in IS. Because it's such a sink or swim environment, it's hard for people to have longevity in the industry when they're not able to produce. Working under an institutional team provides a great framework that better translates into a potential career as a young producer, assuming you make it that far.
  • A huge con is that your strength of relationship with any one client only goes as far as the number of deals they have in your market. IS brokers have to do way more networking and client outreach to stay in front of the deals that can transact in their market. 
 

I started in D/E so I'm biased. I second everything above. The one thing I would emphasize is much wider range of asset class and geography experience in D/E vs IS in which you most likely specialize in one asset class or location. It was invaluable experience I wouldnt trade it for anything for the start of my career. I literally learned every asset class, learned how to analyze and model even the most cracked out capital structures, and networking was incredible. Idk if I would have gotten same breath in IS. 

 

brosephstalin:

I started in D/E so I'm biased. I second everything above. The one thing I would emphasize is much wider range of asset class and geography experience in D/E vs IS in which you most likely specialize in one asset class or location. It was invaluable experience I wouldnt trade it for anything for the start of my career. I literally learned every asset class, learned how to analyze and model even the most cracked out capital structures, and networking was incredible. Idk if I would have gotten same breath in IS. 


Was this at a large brokerage?
How long would you say the learning curve is as an analyst when starting with no industry experience?

 

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