This HAS to be FAKE Enthusiasm RIGHT?

I work at a large institutional shop. Everyone from analyst to VP at my firm gets no carry. Bonuses are generally within a tight band to market pay, so there's no real "upside" if things go super well. 

I always found it strange how people with basically no "skin in the game" can be SOOOOOOOO happy when things like RENTS increase 25% from last year or things like PROPERTY VALUES increase 50% from last year. I'm in California and people around the shop got so happy when the repeal attempt at Prop 13 for commercial real estate property taxes failed. 

This has to be fake enthusiasm right? We made a bunch of money for rich people and we'll barely see a dime of that. 

If anything, I'm fucking LIVID that rents are going UP and property values are going UP. That just means I need to pay MORE rent and homeownership is HARDER to attain. 

Am I crazy?

 
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Totally a mindset thing. I’m like you. I make amazing money but I can’t help but feel like I’m being crushed by “the man”. Especially in CA where i pay $3k for an apartment that isn’t even that nice.

I don’t think it’s fake, because there are still some benefits to rising rents if you’re employed by a real estate company (job security, potential for promotion during a hot market, potentially higher bonuses, etc).

But yeah, if you’re a VP with a $650k net worth you have to step back and realize you have more in common with the guy bagging your groceries than you do with billionaire landlords

 

Well part of the “skin in the game” is continuing to have a job. Don’t think that should make you super happy, but the analysts at my fund that have limited upside with bonuses (relative to the more senior folks) are definitely much happier when we are doing well. I imagine that the enthusiasm would be more muted if the job stability were much higher though (which I imagine it is at your firm). 

But people do want to work at “good” firms, so some people are excited by that. 

 

So, I'd guess without any additional context that everyone from "analyst to VP" a "large institutional shop" is probably making all-in compensation that probably puts them within the upper 5% or 10% of people at their same age nationwide (and maybe even in CA, but that state has some wild up pay rates, so who knows...). Plus, everyone (yourself included) has like a 1,000,000x better shot a making the level where "real upside" is possible. So, compared to the average Californian or average American, you and your co-workers are probably way better off (esp. when age controlled for). This is just stating what is mostly pure statistical fact, no judgments (that next..). 

IF the above is true... they yeah, having enthusiasm for the firm/world can easily be legit. I'd guess those VPs are already seeing themselves at the next level and imagining the "better" life. Everyone who is positive is probably forward projecting and happy they have a very legit shot at the upside (I mean how many barriers has one broken through to just get a legit job at such shops..... these are not guaranteed by any stretch of the imagination!) 

As to you.... yeah, you are probably getting royally fucked by market and economy in some real ways (I mean CA just seems to suck to me... I don't live there...). Still, you are probably 1000x legit better off with one hell of a lot more future potential than others around you. Unless you are born into legit wealth, this is pretty much the way it goes for upward mobility in our industry. So personally.... I'd try not to feel bitter about it, just out compete those assholes and get their jobs!  

 

I never said anything about overpaid or underpaid or being famous for that matter.

I'm just saying why the fuck are we doing a snoopy dance when my rent just went up 10-20% or I need to save for another 2-5 years because house prices went up 10-20%. Like fucking seriously? 

 

Do you see these as connected events? Like your firm is partly responsible for rent and home prices going up? I guess I don't get the connection otherwise.

Like if you are a LA Rams fan, were you also upset with people celebrating the Super Bowl win because of rising rents/home prices???

Since I am there to witness these parties, I probably can't understand, but I think most people just compartmentalize this stuff, and frankly, that's probably healthy. Otherwise its just depression, anger, and sadness ahead! 

 

This isn't 7 degrees of connections to Kevin Bacon. This isn't the X causes Y causes Z causes A causes B causes my rent to go up.

This is just a flat out statement, RENTS ARE UP. I rent, so rent will go UP. 

 
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I don't know what you're trying to get at. I'm not talking about the LA RAMS, a starbucks barista, or the dali lama. 

I'm talking about the hardos CHEERING massive rent increases where they have zero skin in the game and if anything it hurts them personally. That's it, nothing more.

 

A rising tide lifts all ships or something like that.

Sure, the windfall isn’t as robust for the junior-level employees but your company’s success makes it easier to build off of from a personal career perspective. Coming from someone who worked for a company that went under, it was tough to speak to positive deal experience other than the old “learning from our failures” take when interviewing.

 

I work at a shop as an analyst and get carry. However I absolute loathe the fact how much rents have gone up and how it's near impossible to buy home. I really appreciate how much money I make but can’t help but feel like shit for having my company jack rents on the guys who bag my groceries or deliver my packages.

I also loathe how we just sold one of our properties to Blackstone.

I’m in CA and hate paying rents.

 

So you didn't give a crap that rents and home prices were going up for the last 12 years, because you weren't involved, but now that it impacts you, you can't understand why anyone would be happy about increasing costs of living?

Are you serious?  

Also, of course homeowners will be happy when property values increase.

Maybe you should go get a second job and work a little harder instead of expecting everyone to hand you things in life, you snowflake.

 

lmao you're on a forum comprised of early to mid 20 year olds who were 12, 12 years ago.

i wasn't fucking aware high school and college kids are getting an early start on homeownership participation. 

fuck me for not buying a house 12 years ago when i was fucking 12. lmao. 

do you have any advice other than being born earlier? you boomer fuck. made your cash when land and homes were cheap and now you think you're hot shit? any fucking battle stories about how your pops worked a blue collar job at a factory and because he worked SOOOO HARD he had 2 kids, 2 cars, and owned a large home when he was 26? 

fucking playing the game on easy mode when population was half and resources were plenty. 

lmao

 
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lmao you're on a forum comprised of early to mid 20 year olds who were 12, 12 years ago.

i wasn't fucking aware high school and college kids are getting an early start on homeownership participation. 

fuck me for not buying a house 12 years ago when i was fucking 12. lmao. 

fucking playing the game on easy mode when population was half and resources were plenty. 

lmao

Ah, I see, you've got it real hard.  Making six figures in an industry in which you have the potential to make millions of dollars.  You and that Starbucks barista down the street are definitely equals in your struggle against Boomers and people in my age cohort.

I was in the workforce during the GFC - you know, when people were getting laid off, and your only concern was your homework and when your balls were going to drop?  Don't talk to me about that.

And if you've been in the workforce for 2 years, don't you think it's a little early to be complaining about how life is pain and the world is stacked against you?  You have essentially no experience, and yet here you are complaining like you're a septuagenarian.  Maybe keep at it a little longer and someone will respect your opinion.  Life isn't a struggle for you - you're already way ahead of the game, maybe you need to move from your super luxury apartment to a less amenitized building, but why should anyone pity you?  You've got it made!  Hundreds of millions of Americans want to be in your shoes.  So if you're going to complain about how much easier people had it 40 years ago (not that you know, seeing as you are self-admittedly barely in your mid-20's), at least have the decency to recognize and call out your own hypocrisy.

 

I get what you're saying but you still making way more money than average American, in your employer point of view you still paid competitive enough that's the reason you are still working with them. not sharing any upside because they worked for it, when they started the firm spending years without any pay, sweat equity and sleepless nights. 

one thing is for sure we will never be happy with how much money we make, there's nothing wrong with it. if you're not happy where you are do something than Complain

 

My advice to you is instead of asking for carry on top of your current comp, go to your boss and tell them you want your next cash bonus in promote points or GP equity. They'll be impressed with your desire to invest long term in the firm and if you get it, you'll also get ~30% pay bump off the bat switching from income to cap gains tax (depending on what state you live in and your current tax bracket)

Note if you do this, beware of the valuation of the carry pool as your points will be based off this. If the valuation is overly aggressive, expect obviously to get less than they tell you initially

BTW market for a RE fund is 50% of carry goes to the house i.e. founders/shareholders, 50% goes to the employees. That said anyone even VP and below is getting nominal carry anyways. 

 

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