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Good people. They work hard but it's a small family office culture. They have a great reputation in the industry.
Thanks for insight when you say small family office culture, do you consider it a good thing. When I hear that I think of it not being merit based for advancement and incentive pay. Am I wrong in my thinking?
Good, smart people will treat you right if they want you to stick around.
You say you want a competitive, merit-based environment until you are one of 7 mid-30s Directors at your Hines office competing for that one single promotion spot.
I hear you and definitely understand what you're saying. But as a minority, merit based assessment often mitigates the nepotism and elephant the room, racial bias. If anyone can speak to "family office feel" of WinnCompanies, please do.
I know a guy who started there in an entry level facilities job and now he's in upper management. That's merit-based. I didn't see any elephants in the room. Probably not a good idea to go to a job interview assuming the company is racist. That's also bias and just not a good way to be.
Except that isn't what he said, and your one example to the contrary wouldn't mitigate the larger point anyway.
When companies talk about "culture" that can be a huge red flag. If it's all white people who grew up in wealthy suburbs, then it's very much likely that maintaining that "culture," which on paper sounds like a great idea, means hiring more wealthy white people and not hiring people who don't fit in.
Or, put differently (and as Mamba said), "small family office culture" can mean that senior management positions are reserved for family members, or some of them are, which means by definition you're not in a merit-based environment. Not everything is about pay - fine, the family members might be paying me an insane amount of money, but perhaps I'm tired of being beholden to a person who isn't as good at my job as I am and who is only there because of their last name (and who is stopping me from running the show, also).
I also know Winn, and no, they aren't racists - but the overarching point being made is that once you're in an environment where merit isn't the metric by which you get promoted or paid, you allow for the possibility of some really unsavory shit taking its place, even inadvertently.
I wanted to give an example of merit-based promotion at Winn so I did. Not sure what you are talking about. Big picture, if the word "culture" is a "huge red flag" for you on a job posting, you got issues.
I'm talking about the fact that you have the reading comprehension of a preschooler. When one person says they prefer merit-based advancement over "small family office culture", which absolutely has an implication that it's "family" that gets ahead and not the top producers, responding with "well I know one competent person who got ahead" is barely relevant and certainly isn't proving a point. For all we know, it's a family member! Mamba1219 couldn't have been clearer about their reasons for finding small family offices potentially bad work environments - your response completely ignored those reasons in favor of one anecdotal piece of evidence, and then went on to chide someone for being biased because they prefer merit-based assessment rather than whatever the head of the family office feels like on a day to day basis.
No, the big picture is that if you can't read English, perhaps you should reference that upfront instead of engaging in this argument. Reread my post. See where the emphasis is. Then you can come back, apologize for wasting everyone's time, and there is a larger discussion to be had about whether one would rather work in an environment where pay and promotion are based on production, or if you'd rather be part of the old boy's club and get ahead on whose ass you kiss on a day to day basis. Spoiler alert! People who aren't wealthy white folks generally prefer the former.
Thank you for understanding that. It's different game for non whites and I would be a fool not to recognize that.
I'm not arguing with you, just making a simple point that Winn is a decent company, regardless of your tangential tirade against nepotism. Attacking my language comprehension is an interesting, adolescent strategy with no foothold in reality. Presumably you are mad about the fact that you aren't making any sense. The entire point of my comment was that Winn is a good place with a good culture, that's all. I gave an example of someone who is NOT family that advanced through the ranks. Then you said "well maaayyybeeeeeeee he was family!" as if there were some grand conspiracy going on. And that's when I realized that trying to have a rational conversation with you is an impossible task.
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