How do you view these 2nd tier MBA schools for IB? Thanks
Haas
Ross
Darden
Fuqua
Johnson
Edit: Adding Yale SOM
Trying to narrow my list down for applications in the fall. I am thinking about applying to 2 or 3 of the 5, but there doesn't seem to be much information around online as far as which are the best for IB placement.
Location both during the MBA program and after don't matter too much to me.
Thank you
Haas is probably a tier above the others you listed (along with Tuck, it doesn't make the M7 cut but is usually seen as being better than the other top ~15 schools). Add YSOM and Stern to your list, as they both place pretty well in NYC IBD.
I know that in the rankings Haas is easily top 10, but if you through IB into the mix is it still a school that is above the rest? I looked at their stats and if i recall correctly they only seemed to place ~5% into IB.
Your'e correct -- Haas does not place many people in banking, especially not NYC banking.
It's still much harder to get into Haas than a place like, say, Michigan. Haas does not belong on this list.
If you need to narrow down to 2 - 3 for NY IBD I would say Darden, Ross, Fuqua in some order. I think Darden is at the top of that list, but its very debatable. Have seen people from all of three of those schools at sell days and other recruiting events
I'm not even applying to Darden this coming fall because of the school's reputation as being the "hardest working" top 15 program. Why the hell do they seem so hell bent on beating students down with academic workload there? I just swapped Duke for UVA, since they're very similar in many regards.
If it's two or three of these schools, and he's looking for vanilla IBD in NYC, I'd go with Duke, YSOM, and Stern.
If you are socially normal and decently intelligent you can get IB pretty easy at schools like Duke, Darden and Ross. I can't speak for Johnson or Yale - probably slightly more difficult but probably doable too.
IB recruiting is about networking, doing tons of informational interviews and proving how bad you want it. It is not a matter of who is the best and the brightest, as is more so the case in undergrad. So if you have the stomach for 4 months of that bullshit dance than it shouldn't be a problem.
Will be heading to Johnson this August for IB. Summer placements have been very good this year from what I've heard. All the BBs come to Sage to pitch and then yeah there's a lot of Fridays where you'll have to head down to NYC for informationals. The guys in Old Ezra club are pretty clear though - if you keep to the process and follow the 2nd years advice, you'll get your offer. It's a smaller pool of prospectives so I found them to be more respective when I was applying/researching the program - which I anticipate to be similar when I'm looking at banks.
Hit up the link below for the immersion (you can also poke around to find contact info for officers in the Old Ezra club).
http://www.johnson.cornell.edu/Two-Year-MBA/Curriculum/Immersion-Learni…
Hey sbell, potentially looking at johnson too as I have an admit there with $$. Also heard about he IBI program. According to the guest speaker, almost 100% of IB interns convert to offers. But do you know how many people who pursue IB internships actually receive them? Thanks!
Tier 2 schools for MBA (targeting for IB) (Originally Posted: 02/04/2017)
Dear all, I am considering the following schools for MBA program, while my criteria would be (1) Reputation (2) Location (3) Finance Focused. I hope that I will land a summer internship in an investment bank, whether it's a boutique or bulge bracket firm.
My school selections are: -UIUC -Wisconsin-Madison -Minnesota -USC -CMU -UT Austin -WashU -Boston College
I'd like to seek for your advice on which school is the most recommended one. According to my research, BC fits my criteria the most. It has a strong focus in Finance, while the location in Boston is great. It is also ranked #12 on US NEWS MBA in Finance Ranking. However, the BC's MBA ranks #50 in US NEWS, and is the lowest among all school. At the same time, as an Asian, I have never heard of BC before.
I would really appreciate if anyone could share some thoughts on this topic.
The only MBA programs on that list that were represented in my BB Associate class were:
CMU USC UT Austin
I would look into:
UNC Emory Georgetown Rice
Ignore the school rankings
Every schoo publishes an employment report and go by that.
Employment reports can still be misleading because they may not be placements in IB - could be market risk or something. In my BB we only had Ut Austin and maybe one from USC. The Austin kids were mainly in the Houston office doing O&G. Like what @ab216" mentioned - look at unc, gtown, and Emory... and probs also IU Kelly. They all place better albeit not considered finance schools at the MBA level.
If you want to do IB, you really should be looking at top 15 MBA programs and then some other top 25 programs that place a few people in IB--the ones mentioned: UNC, Gtown, Rice (for Hou), Emory--would throwin IU Kelly too.
Of the names you are looking at only CMU, USC and UT will get you looks (UT will likely be Hou though).
UIUC, Minnesota, Madison and Wash U may allow you do do MM in Chicago--but most will be filled by Booth/Kellogg or people from other schools that want to go back to Chicago. Minnesota can maybe get you to Piper Jaffrey in Minneapolis. Similarly, BC may get you into a MM bank in Boston. None of these will get you a legit look at BB or EB, even in regional offices. There really is a huge drop off in opportunities after the top 15 or so--the drop off is a lot more pronounced than for undergrad.
Yeah. Go with Dat Guy's list. Your odds at UNC, Indiana, Emory, or Georgetown will be better than any of the schools listed.
Would also take a look at Vandy, seems like they have a growing amount of grads getting into banking.
Vandy gets looks for undergrad but not MBA at the BBs (from what I've heard and seen)
Hey Guys! Thank you ALL for your GREAT ADVICE!
I was quite surprised when WashU and BC were not on the recommended list. People I've talked to mentioned that WashU has both high ranking (around #20 in US NEWS MBA PROGRAM) and reputation, while BC has strong brand in Boston.
I've also like to know more about how USC is perceived in the community. The opinion I've heard about USC is quite mixed. While many ppl say that USC is a party school for rich kids, I've noticed that the job placement in USC is quite impressive.
Could any one share views on this? Thank you!
Their MBA programs simply don't place well enough. I don't think I saw any summer interns from all three of those schools at my bb
USC undergrads place very well (large and very connected alumni base) in Southern CA. Not so much for MBAs as most USC undergrads go on to more "prestigious" grad schools.
Can i enter Investment Banking without Toptier university (Originally Posted: 04/05/2011)
HI
I am based in London, i know alot of this forum is talk around IB in US ,but i hope you can help and give me some advice if possible?
I have recently graduated with a 2:1 in civil engineering , but not from a top tier university and my Alevels are poor as well. So I am unsure about what to do , whether i should try to complete a Masters in finance or complete an BSc as well , which means another 3 years?
Any advice to help? I dont know whether i should be trying to gain some experience via accountancy and then masters or just repeat a second degree?
thanks for any help,
dont do a another BSc, get a MSc, you might even do two (each for one year) I have also seen that. But try to get any kind of relevant experience and apply for an MSc finace. There is really no point in doing another BSc. With a good upper second you migt have a chance at some schools, maybe not the tier ones like oxbridge/lse. You might wanna think about the gmat to compensate for gpa.
2nd tier MBA programs to Bulge Bracket Investment Banking (Originally Posted: 06/12/2008)
I wanted to get everyones opinions on the 2nd tier MBA programs and their placements into bulge bracket investment banking? With the current economic climate, I am really wondering what we can expect to see as far as BB IBD placements from 2nd tier schools for students who plan to matriculate in 2009 and graduate in 2011. I am assuming that it will be fairly competitive, no matter where you are.
I have ranked the 2nd tier schools below. This is purely based on bulge bracket placements and difficulty of getting a BB IBD Associate job from these schools. Can anyone chime in and tell me if I'm correct?
Get into one of those schools, and you'll be in good shape to land an associate gig. The tough road in is from a non-target school. At these places, you have firms actively recruit, so the ball is literally in your court.
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That's about right. As the previous poster said, the banks all actively recruit at all the schools you listed, so as long as you have a decent resume and you attend their recruiting receptions and schmooze a bit, you should be able to get the interview (and from there on in, it's all on you).
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Dartmouth's body seems to go into consulting more so than banking, so I guess that would mean more spaces for fewer people (seeing as all the BBs recruit there and the class size is small anyway).
I just wonder how important geographical location is when a place is as out of the way as say NC or NH (New York-wise, that is).
"Yeah, man, Fuck recruiting at Tuck. That's like 5 hours away from here..."
I guess it's only an issue if you didn't get a job in the on-campus recruiting month/period.
Minor detail, but Dartmouth is not a second tier school.
FT ranks it 8th and USNews ranks it 7.
Officially, its outside of the M7. However, there is always debate whether or not Dartmouth or Columbia deserve that last spot at the bottom of the M7.
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