MSF, MMS/MiM or should I just go with an MFE if I want a job?
Hello. An International from Netherlands here. I am currently looking at various programs that will help me get a job in US after graduating(kinda like a gateway to a US industries). I have about 6 months of experience and no, I am not a native English speaker but I can do well and speak fluently(i still have my accent). There are several programs like MSF/MMS/MiM or the MFE. I probably won't get into MFE program because of little exp. But I can wait and work for 2 years more and also get CQF & FRM for MFE prep(which has rigorous curriculum including C++). MFE kinda guarantees a job as long as it's from a reputable school(I have 780 GMAT with 50q). I'm sure I will be able to get into MFE if I choose to. What the problem is it's going to take a lot of time and I'd like to quicken the process without wasting anymore time here & have a more growing & rewarding career(This place is shit). MSF and MMS of Duke, & MiM of LBS are the only options. The problem is the placements. I've heard a lot that firms do not bother for sponsorship of international students, that they struggle to get a job even fluent English speakers(I don't think I will have problem with MFE recruiting because there are so much internationals working in new york who graduated from CMU, Haas, UCLA, Columbia, MIT, and other reputable institutes). So the questionn, should I go the shortcut way(MSF,MMS, MiM) or better wait for 2 years, get more appropriate education and exp and apply to MFE programs? For career goals, I would like to work anywhere, from IBD to Trading or quant role, I won't have a problem with that because I think it'd be great to actually be able to land a good job after graduating. Thanks
780 GMAT jesus christ
Need to know more about your profile, but why not apply to say MIT? There are other great MMS programs (Duke, Notre Dame, Michigan) that you could probably get a scholarship to.
TNA, paying for education won't be a problem. I'm not including Mendoza because 1st) I don't think they're as prestigious as Duke so I'm not going to 3rd tier school when I can get into Duke 2nd) I have an Econ undergrad. Not applying to MIT now because I have very little experience. I don't think my GMAT will offset that. What I actually asked for is not suggestions for more schools or scholarships but for a simple advice because my heart says one thing and my brains say another. I'm just confused. Even if I apply to MIT and get rejected without an ample amount of exp, then I'll be saddled with 2nd tier MSF again. I want to apply to MIT but with other prestigious alternatives. What info do you want? I have 3.6 CGPA and Econ major, computer science minor
Wow! Love the disrespect for Notre Dame.
It's just a fact. Vandy is a 3rd tier school also but their MSF is excellent program.
Since none of these other friendly and helpful users seem to be answering your question in a satisfying manor, I will give it a shot. Go ahead and apply to the prestigious, and vastly superior Duke "MSF and MMS" (which doesn't exist seeing as they only offer an MMS) and don't waste your time applying to "third tier" programs like Vanderbilt, WUSTL, CMC, etc.... While your'e at it, go ahead and skip the MIT application, you will never get in with that lack of work experience.
I am looking forward to seeing a new post from you this time next year entitled "Graduating from Duke MSF and MMS in one Month and still no offers". At which point I will gladly provide you with some advice that helped me during the IB recruitment process, to which you will probably respond "I did not ask for helpful advice. What I actually asked is should I apply to the back office role at UBS because I most definitely do not want to apply to any openings at third tier banks like Credit Suisse".
MIT doesn't need experience and Duke isn't > Notre Dame. That is just a ridiculous statement. To each their own though.
Look at UMichigan Ross also.
But they have 1.7 years of average exp. I won't look good competing against others with excellent exp.
Hey man I don't know how you are doing these tier bullshit but 3rd tier schools mean shit schools that have no name. Vanderbilt and Notre Dame are not some 3rd tier school. Both of them are excellent schools.
The way you carry yourself is very arrogant. TNA provided helpful insight and you just came back like a prick. A 780 is a great score and you most likely will get into a "prestigious" program. But these schools do interviews and if you come across like conceited a-hole people won't like you and won't want to work with you in the future. No matter how smart or successful you are in life we all have the same finish line so treat people with respect.
Agree with @"Coach Reilly". And you are gonna be international and those Visa sponsorship are not easy to get
I'm not sure what I said that is upsetting you all? I simply stated the facts, I didn't ask for suggestions for schools. And I'm in no way arrogant, that is a very big name to call someone you don't know in person.
Wow! And with my three day stay at Amsterdam, I thought Dutch people were nice. The BS you are spewing is making people see you as arrogant. What are you asking? that you are confused about MFE two years later or MSF now? If you can handle the material and willing to wait the MFE is a better a program to go for. There your question has been answered.
It's not BS. It's a fact. Notre Dame and Vanderbilt MBA programs are in the top 30. Vanderbilt has a strong MSF program with excellent placements(I'm not sure about internationals). Mendoza's program is new and has no placement history. Based on that, I don't think anybody would like to go there unless it improves.
I see in another thread you created you are from New Zealand. You have a 790 GMAT instead of a 780.
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Hello. I'm a New Zealander & been to US a couple of times. I'm currently looking at the MIT & CMC MFin, Duke's MMS, & Vandebilt MSF. Below is my profile:
GMAT: 790(50q)
GPA: 3.7 Non target accounting
WE: 6 month consulting internship
CFA level 1 pass
Few other academic achievements
I know I have above MIT's average GMAT & a really good GPA but what worries me is that I don't have that much experience, MIT's average exp is 17 months. Will my academic achievements offset the work experience? Another school I'm looking at is CMC & Vanderbilt. They have great placements. I don't know about MIT's placements but the name will be more than enough for me. Then comes Duke's MMS. To be honest, I think it's like wasting money to attend the MMS since you learn nothing new but all you get is the name so you're basically paying for the name. I'm more interested in Vanderbilt, CMC and MIT because of their curriculum, Duke because of the name and the activities & I'll only go there in the WORST case scenario(if rejected by the others). Do you think I have a chance? My post MFin/MSF/MMS goal is to break into IB,
PS: I don't want to apply to European schools because I have no plans to be there, I dislike Europe & UK (No offense meant)
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@Isabella-Ray: Just FYI, there are more elements to consider than "prestige." Do your research. An MMS/MiM offers a very different curriculum than an MSF. In fact, an MSF is closer to an MFE. I've been plagued with making a decision between MMS and MSF because it is prestige (MMS) vs. curriculum (MSF). In the end, I decided that I'd rather specialize in finance than get a general degree in business, even if that meant that I'd have to go to a less prestigious university. Your call on what you choose to do. o.O Maybe you are from both NZ and NL?
This is a troll post guys. What a joke.
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