One Year MBA at Notre Dame vs. Two Year MBA at Yale
Should I go to Yale MBA for two years and spend an extra year's worth of money (tuition and living expenses) or should I go with Notre Dame's One Year program (half the cost, but no internship) to break into BB trading (equities)?
I plan to get my MSF before going for my MBA so I plan to already have trading experience by the time I enroll in an MBA program.
Why not wait until your employer wants you to get an MBA... they might even pay for it. I don't know but it seems to me that an MBA is not entirely necessary for a career in finance
So if you get into MSF, then if you get a trading job, then if you apply to both programs, then if you get into both, then you will have to decide if one is better than the others. I counted 5 ifs.
I know that. I'm trying to plan ahead. Yale vs. Notre Dame please.
I've heard it is hard to get into trading out of grad school, but, for banking, I'd go Yale all the way.
neither yale or ND will place you in trading
Shorttheworld: I said that before going to ND or Yale I will hopefully already be in trading post MSF. Please evaluate assuming I already have trading experience.
so why the hell would u take a year off and go to ND or yale in new haven neither of which are in chicago or NYC where trading shops are located vs columbia or chicago exec ed or part time etc
Shorttheworld: Well, I don't necessarily believe I could get into Columbia or Chicago. ND or Yale are about 40-50 GMAT points lower than the more elite Columbia, Chicago, Kellogg etc.
what value are you trying to add with the mba? what year are u in of school have u graduated or even secured first job yet?
if you leave trading for a year or two for an MBA it better be at one of those top places otherwise not going to get much back in terms of trading 'boost'. kellogg is a marketing school, not a trading/Asset Management school like the chi or cbs
Go to Yale if you can, their network is more powerful. Also, their metrics are lower, but their 'intangibles' requirements are much tougher. I would be careful about assumptions of being accepted there over Columbia.
Shortheworld: I have a JD and am interviewing soon with a brokerage firm for a job as a stockbroker. I hope to do that for a year, then get my MSF. After my MSF, I plan to hopefully get into trading. After trading for 1 to 2 years, I'll get my MBA.
Any more input?
I have some, all those grad degrees is a freaking waste of time/money IMO. Why would you get an MBA after you're already in trading unless you want to get out of trading? If that's the case, why get into trading at all?
TXJustin: Well, I thought for promotion opportunities in trading, prestige of having another degree matters. Or does it matter?
I am by no means an expert on S&T. Shorttheworld or Monty would have that covered.
I think Yale would be the better option. ND MBA is not as well received.
damn son how old are you lol
brokerage firm like... JPM private bank or more metlife financial advisors northwestern mutual?
youre all over the place with all this i think you need to condense it a lot more. why not just go into the MSF right now? if you want to be a stock broker/fin advisor you stick with it and put time in the first few years are pretty crap and just about building your client book up otherwise ur gonna be slaving for someone else
if you get an MBA while trading -- unless its to move into a diff type of trading through columbia chicago wharton etc itll be better to do it at night through an exec program or part time to become desk head/principal
you need to streamline yo plans foreal foreal
As someone who routinely overthinks things like this, I can tell you that you are REALLY overthinking all this. An MBA will not help you in trading. If you get into a decent trading firm right now, no reason to do an MSF. Your original question is too theoretical (and contradictory) to even answer, and the answer would be don't go to either.
Doesn't sound like you can get into a decent firm now, so go for your MSF now and hope to get into trading. That, or join one of the prop firms that "test you out" and are willing to take anyone. If you are good, then leverage that into a decent trading gig. If not, then give up on the idea of being a trader, or try the MSF. I really think those prop trading programs can be valuable to someone, especially if there is virtually no opp cost - you wouldn't give up your current salary to try it. Lots of those firms around, some require a deposit to show you are serious, usually not too much.
^---most of the prop firms are utter crap and death traps.
I agree, but if there is no opp. cost - you are not doing anything else - then why not take a shot at it? If nothing else, might help you realize trading is not for you. OP sounds like he is unemployed - or nearly unemployed - so why not do it?
i am a prestige whore. No I am a degree whore. I will get a JD AND MSF AND an MBA and people will respect me for that. Dude, get real. If you are that much into academics, just get a PhD.
JD --> MSF people understand. You wanted to get into trading. After trading for a couple of years why the F would you want to get an MBA to get back into trading ? Instead, you should just be trying to become one of the Paulsons or Icahns of the world and try to short the right shares (sorry you may go long on some exotic products as well)
For the record, Yale is probably > ND. BUT for your purposes both the useless.
When in doubt, Ivy League
mmm true i suppose? but to find out if youre 'good' can take up to a year.. so.. might be better to run off and do peace corps instead
There really doesn't seem to be enough information about OP's past goals going forward to comment. Each suggestion is countered by another piece of the puzzle.......
Ooooohhhhh . WSO's version of a classic Dan Brown novel. OP Go on go on
i dont know how much his past goals matter for this, he went to law school and graduated took the bar. and now wants to get 9 other degrees? :x
Chicago = Notre Dame Other Places = Yale
personally i recommend getting an MPA as well
don't do ND MBA.
Start a business or learn how to invest in stocks/real estate. Cash flow $10,000/month so that you don't have to go to school for an MBA but get real world experience.
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