RSM or Bocconi (BSc) for IB ?

Hi everyone

What is the better way to get into IB in London between :
-The BSc in international business administration at RSM
-The BSc in international management economics and finance at Bocconi (taught in english)

I heard that Bocconi was more famous in London than RSM because RSM's student aren't aiming IB ...

But I also heard that Bocconi wasn't very famous for it's Bachelors ... is that true ?

As i'm not a native speaker , maybe it's better to go for RSM because people speak much better english overthere than in Milan ?

Also , Bocconi's fees are between 4500€ and 10000€ depending on your income ... whereas RSM's fees are about 8000€ per year as i'm an international student ...

Are RSM bachelor's courses suitable for IB ? http://www.rsm.nl/home/bachelor/bsciba/knowledge_… seem to be not very technical ... at Bocconi the course seems to be more quantitative ...

Also , I don't speak any Italian ... is it an issue or it can be learned fastly ?

Bocconi have also very good exchange program (more than RSM) like Columbia , Princeton , Stern ...

Thank you very much !

Comments (46)

Jul 31, 2011 - 5:36pm
Walkerr, what's your opinion? Comment below:

"RSM's student aren't aiming IB ..." Where did you hear that bullshit?

Probably better to look at the financial economics course or the Finance&investment course though.

Jul 31, 2011 - 5:52pm
Takanome, what's your opinion? Comment below:

From RSM's student ...

Hey remember that we're talking about BSc not the MSc finance & investment ...

I said "they aren't aiming IB" but actually I wanted to say that we find more Bocconis in IB than RSMs ... as I heard ... I can be wrong ...

Aug 1, 2011 - 11:09am
IB010, what's your opinion? Comment below:

From my experience as an RSM students you are right that relatively fewer students aim at being an investment banker. However, those who want to normally end up being one. Very high regarded school in London and from what I´ve heard from bankers in London they are a little more keen on RSM students because they seem to have a better attitude.

But then again, I might be a little biased.

Aug 1, 2011 - 4:16pm
Takanome, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Can you explain Awon ?

Got it IB010 , I've never been to Italy , but I heard the same things about italian's mentality , espacially in Bocconi ...

But I also have to consider the cost ... RSM doesn't offer grants to internationals , and it's more expensive ... Bocconi does ... Maybe RSM offer grants to international but it's extremely hard to be elligible ...

I also heard that Rotterdam wasn't a very good city ... But that's personnal and maybe you love it ... (I've never been to Rotterdam)

Finally , I think that RSM's BSc course isn't very focused on finance ... Whereas Bocconi is 50-50 market finance and corporate ...

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Oct 5, 2015 - 10:09am
tunpo22, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Master Finance choice: Bocconi or RSM (Originally Posted: 04/06/2014)

Hi everyone I'm looking for advices on master degree. I'm European,22, graduated in 2013 from a non famous university in economics. Quite good GPA and high GMAT. I have apply for the following program, can you help me to rank my choices? 1)RSM- MSc Finance and Investment(1 year), got an offer. 2) Bocconi- MSc Finance(2year) 3)HEC Lausanne-MSc Finance (2 year) Moreover, what should I do from now till the beginning of the program to improve my skills? From the date of my degree to now, I used my time to prepare for the GMAT and to follow some other hobbies. I would like to have found some internship but sadly in my country the situation it's very bad and so I wasn't able to find anything :). Finally, do you think that lost an year it's very bad to have on my CV? Thank you very much for your reply

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:10am
Matrick, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Best program out of the three you mentioned is clearly Bocconi. Feel free to PM if you have any questions regarding that program.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

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Oct 5, 2015 - 10:11am
EuroLocust, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Agree, it's Bocconi > RSM > Lausanne. Though the gap between RSM and Lausanne is bigger than between Bocconi and RSM. For your case I'd also take Bocconi because it allows you more easily to do a summer internship between year 1 and 2. If you can't find any internships in your home country, try going abroad (UK or the country where you want to study) and try to still get an offcycle internship. So basically you'd be willing to start still 1-2 months before summer interns come in. You're a bit late for the whole thing but it's still the best time-filler in my opinion.

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:12am
RohanShinde, what's your opinion? Comment below:

For IB think Bocconi is better but RSM grads from what ive seen get a fair crack at IB too but mostly local students get into I Banks.RSM is decent for corporate finance/Development and Netherlands is healthier economically than Italy. Check out London Banking Tour and Investment Banking Cycle , the main IB networking events at RSM

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:15am
ravenmarsch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Hey guys, I have the same decision to make as @tunpo22, RSM or bocconi and have a pretty similar profile as well: 23, EU (slovenia), graduated from random university (Ljubljana) with high grades, did 2 semesters abroad in miami and 1 in dublin. couple of interships back home but they dont probably count much in london, bunch of extracuricular stuff.

my question is how much is bocconi better than rsm to get a FO job in the city and if its worth it for me? heard bocconi is pretty good to get into IBD if you're italian but not that much if you're from eu? on the other side rsm isnt much of a target school at all, so for me both would give me pretty low chances from what i hear. other thing about bocconi is that its supposed to be really technical which doesnt suit me that well and also supposed to be very tough and grading is a bit random, so I probably wont be top of the class but more like top 20,30%. Compared to rsm where i could definitely be in top 10% from what i've heard, its a lot easier. final thing, bocconi clearly has the advantage of being 2 years, but my ideas about how to handle it at rsm. I could get an internship after finishing rsm and then work for a year or get something off cycle and apply next year for a FO job. or alternatively even pick up a 2nd masters in something like management as the tuition is so low in rotterdam.

thanks for any info and thoughts. also can I pm you @Matrick about the bocconi programe?

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:17am
Matrick, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Yes of course

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

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Oct 5, 2015 - 10:16am
EuroLocust, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I think RSM qualifies as a target school in the sense that if you make an effort for IBD, you have very good chances. The on-campus recruiting is often a bit too tailored to Dutch students from what I know but you actually see a fair amount of RSM alumni across pretty much all major banks in London. Now Bocconi is probably a bit better in terms of reputation and banks considering it a core target school but the difference is not as big as you might think. Also when you consider tuition, RSM is probably one of the best value-for-money schools in Europe.

Whether you'll get better grades at one or the other, I'll leave uncommented. Just be aware that you will have to compete with everyone eventually for job offers and that is less about being top 10% than knowing your stuff...

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:18am
ravenmarsch, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Thanks for the info. I completely agree that it all comes down to what you know and whats your cv like and how well do you interview. I just want to be sure that I could get an interview if i went to one of this schools, because I applied the last 2 years to all the banks and didnt get very far. If i Dont get into ibd in london, which school would you say would give me a better chance to get a good international job? Is there more international recruiting at bocconi or rsm? also I like that rsm is a lot cheaper as I could save my money and do an mba down the road. general question here: I think i could get into cass or warwick, do you think they are worth the money? I pmd you @"Matrick"

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:19am
EuroLocust, what's your opinion? Comment below:
ravenmarsch:

I just want to be sure that I could get an interview if i went to one of this schools

I wouldn't say it's a sure thing but both schools will dramatically increase your chances. Your competition will likely be students which also have a bachelor's degree from a more known university but you'll have to try and compensate that with good grades, extracurriculars, drive, etc. Both schools will get you equally in this position in my opinion.
ravenmarsch:

Is there more international recruiting at bocconi or rsm?

Are we talking about financial institutions or in general. I can't speak much about industrial firms, etc at Bocconi but I personally know a lot of RSM graduates who went into all sorts of graduate programs in consulting, consumer goods, industrials, energy, etc. across Europe (mostly Benelux, UK, Germany, Scandinavia, Switzerland).

With regards to Cass and Warwick, I see Warwick on par with RSM in general reputation and Cass below that. But that's just one opinion.

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:20am
Matrick, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Will reply shortly

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:22am
Matrick, what's your opinion? Comment below:

May also be a good address for your PhD. They have a close corporation with the CFA institute as well

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:24am
wanttoberich13, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Quite scary people actually study in Italy and god knows where else in the EU to get a job in London.

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:25am
Matrick, what's your opinion? Comment below:

What does that even mean? Do you have anything meaningful to contribute to any discussion on this forum or are you just here to provide unintentional hilarity to the wider user base?

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

See my Blog & AMA

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:29am
kingpeter, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Hello, I guess i have a similar question. I was planning to go to rotterdam, but been moved from wait list at bocconi and given an offer. I am not sure if I should accept, as I have read a lot bad reviews from non italian students how they had a terrible time at bocconi, but they most say that it is good for job prospects in london. Also rotterdam so far looks pretty good to me.

My question would be: how much better is the reputation of bocconi compared to rotterdam in london? I know its a bit tough to say, but maybe LSE compared to cass or smaller, bigger? also how much does that bocconi has a much bigger alumni in london affect the chance of getting a job in london and your career after?

Im czech, but also speak german, did a bachelors in economics atcharles univeristy prague. If I would go to rotterdam, I would take a 3rd semester to go on exchange, so that i could do internship after 1st year, so that should be ok.

Oct 5, 2015 - 10:30am
EuroLocust, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Obviously always difficult to judge reputation but if Bocconi was a B+, Rotterdam would probably get a B which is mostly due to the larger alumni base. Personally, I think the effect of an own network which you build via colleagues and people you work with from other banks, clients or even service suppliers will be more valuable than your university's alumni base in the long-term. From a study environment, Rotterdam could be a bit easier since the city is a bit more internationally oriented while I heard from Bocconi that speaking Italian really is a prerequisite to enjoy life outside of the university.

Apr 3, 2017 - 4:59am
kallester, what's your opinion? Comment below:

I spent a year doing a Masters at LUISS Guido Carli, which is the Roman equivalent of Bocconi. Some polls argue that LUISS has outpaced Bocconi so you might want to check it out, although LUISS clearly does not have the same recognition internationally. Nonetheless, I picked up some Italian within a few weeks and I had an absolute blast (mind you, the english proficiency in Rome is comparatively inferior to that of Milan).

For those of you considering Bocconi, do take a look at LUISS as well.

Aug 3, 2011 - 12:17pm
Walkerr, what's your opinion? Comment below:

Takanome, If you're going for a Bachelor, sorry my mistake talking about MSc, I would go for a more "quantitative"program. They have a good economics and business economics program. Also, in the Netherlands it is very common to get a masters directly after you bachelor.

Then again, education in the Netherlands is quite similar from uni to uni. RSM is better for IB, Consultancy etc. UvA is better for research. It depends on where you want to go.

I really don't like Rotterdam which is why I chose Amsterdam.

For the rest I agree with IB010.

When would you start at the uni? This year?

Apr 3, 2017 - 12:59pm
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