I've seen a lot of topics posted here, and on other forums, related to the impact of recent events / Covid19 pandemic for incoming students at top business schools, but I'm curious what people's thoughts are on those who might apply in the next year. Is this a great time to apply, given people's uncertainty about the economy (people sticking to jobs if they have some security), or will there be an influx of applicants with higher unemployment? T15 seems like the right group of schools to think about for this discussion since I know a lot of people believe M7 admissions will always be hyper competitive.
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Kellogg is letting in people without test scores.
B Schools know that their international students will not be coming to campus this fall due to visa delays.
Now is a golden time to apply.
Yeah, I saw the email come out since I'm on a recruiting distribution list. Some lesser known schools have done the same, but have not heard anything similar from other top ten programs. You have to wonder if they're going to weigh other parts of the application more heavily as a result.
FWIW, I got into two T10 schools with the worst GMAT score you can imagine.
I did have great W/E, recommendations, college ECAs, leadership and executed well on the apps though.
Above or below 670?
Below 600. And before you ask, not a URM. You can guess my ancestry from my username.
I networked my ass off with the admissions officers though. I attended multiple events they had in NYC. Visited the schools. They knew my face and name.
Of course you can come across as over-eager and put them off, but I think I found the right balance.
Did you get in recently? this year?
Maybe I should apply to some M7s - but I would drag their average test scores down.
I used to think it wasn't worth it outside of M7. Now I'd probably be fine with a Tuck, McCombs or Duke (yes - I realize these are all very different programs).
I'm someone who isn't planning on going later on unless it's M7 or Tuck. What made you change your mind and expand your list of schools?
It's funny, Tuck is like a darkhorse M7 equivalent school in my mind. I sometimes think I'd go Tuck over a Kellogg or Booth just based on what I hear about the great culture and alumni community.
To answer your question, geography and enjoying my job have become higher priorities for me than long-term financial upside and focusing exclusively on PE/VC/Consulting/insert conventional high income potential career. In my opinion, that's where you get the most mileage from M7 and probably actually need the pedigree to have a reasonable shot. The simple reality is post-MBA / partner track buyside roles are few and far between; I know myself well enough to know even if I went to Wharton or Harvard it's unlikely I'm motivated enough to compete with the top 10% of candidates gunning for the most coveted jobs - so do I really need the extra pedigree? Maybe, maybe not. After working at a BB in NYC I've also realized I'd much rather live in a place like Dallas or Charlotte, even if I get paid slightly less. The cost of living is so much better and I've found people seem to enjoy their jobs more outside of SF or NYC (I knew a lot of Houston O&G guys in banking who had much better work life balance, worked for happier MDs, etc.).
Edit: Obviously people from M7's have no issues getting jobs anywhere in the country, I've just found some parts of the country have stronger alumni communities from places like Duke or McCombs.
It's not entirely clear to me if you're asking regarding the class entering in 2020 or 2021. Here's my thoughts on both:
2020: A fantastic time to apply. School are very worried that internationals will not be able to get visas and a significant portion of their admitted class will not be able to show up. Another segment has not been able to take tests, although that issue is easing. I believe that people are getting into programs that they would not have gotten into before corona and will not be able to get into next year. My $.02 after following this very closely and talking to admissions directors.
2021: The outlook is cloudier. However I think there will be a lot more people thinking that b-school is a great place to ride out a recession while improving their skills and preparing for the next economic expansion. That's been the pattern whenever there has been an economic downturn. Whether this phenomenon will hit R1 or R2 or wait until the following cycle is hard to tell, but I think it's going to be R1 or R2 of the 2020-21 application cycle.
For more on COVID and MBA admissions, please see:
https://blog.accepted.com/how-will-covid-19-impact-your-admissions-jour…</a">How Will COVID-19 Impact Your Admissions Journey: 5 MBA Admissions Experts Speak
https://reports.accepted.com/mba/how-will-covid-19-impact-your-mba-admi…</a">How Will COVID-19 Impact Your Admissions Journey, A Recorded Q&A
https://blog.accepted.com/how-will-covid-19-affect-the-mba-admissions-p…</a">MBA Deadline Updates: How Will COVID-19 Affect the MBA Application Process?
How about deferred admissions? Is it tougher now compared to before covid-19? Asking for current college seniors looking to apply in the coming weeks
I don't think COVID is having nearly the impact on the deferred admission programs as it is having on the regular admission, especially for the class entering in 2020. The school's motivation for the deferred admission program is to admit the "stars," the ones they are confident will do great things between college and business school, shine in b-school, and achieve great things as alumni. No one expects the restrictions to be in place in 2-4 years.
If schools see some stars that they would like to admit now, they may talk to some deferred admits about starting in 2020, but that's me speculating. I haven't heard anything from anyone on that score.
Linda
I meant both, apologies I wasn't a little more clear. Thanks for the thoughtful response as well.
Sounds like you're in great shape if you're ready to apply now for rolling / late round admissions, and you might see some benefit applying R1 in the fall for 2021 but that's somewhat TBD.
Using Kellogg as an example, do you think schools that are waiving test scores will put significantly more weight on other parts of the application? Will GPA, undergraduate program, work experience, etc. be scrutinized more so than usual?
No apologies necessary, and you hit the nail on the head in terms of the difference between this year and next year.
in response to your question, Yes. They'll have to weigh the other factors more because they won't have a test score to look at.
I took the online GMAT but did worse than I expected (700 w 50 from Quant, 34 from Verbal and 8 from IR). Do you think I should use my score for the deferred admissions or just not report it to schools like Kellogg who admit without the GMAT currently?
Definitely get further input from Linda if she sees this. I would say anything that starts with a 7 is worth reporting, but your split might be concerning. Low verbal is especially surprising given most of the challenge with the online GMAT is the lack of scratch paper on quant.
My prediction is that average GMAT score goes down across the M7 except at H and S who finished most of their admissions before the crisis.
it is mostly because english is not my first language (also the construction next to my building affected my verbal performance). But I also have a strong GPA (3.88 from a prestigious engineering school in the US). So idk if i can get into any deferred programs with these stats
@wolfiee I believe that Kellogg only waives the test for applicants to its deferred MBA program if they are Northwestern undergrads. Please see https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/programs/full-time-mba/take-action… .
do u think the GMAT scores will be lower this year considering that we are allowed to take only 1 online gmat?
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