UConn vs Rutgers vs Penn State
I am a senior in high school and live in Connecticut.
I am in a weird place and would appreciate some advice. My GPA isn't the greatest, and I am working on improving my SAT. I am applying to target and semi-target schools, but I don't think I will be accepted. So I narrowed my realistic options to UConn, Rutgers, and Penn State.
I believe Rutgers has a better placement than Penn State, with UConn having the lowest placement. That said, someone close to me (a Yale graduate) said I should go to UConn. The reason being I want my "personal story" and Resume to make sense. To put it into simple terms, he said if I were to go to Rutgers or Penn State, it would show that I didn't get accepted into a better college. Whereas if I attend UConn, since it's my state school, it makes sense.
We also talked about transferring to a better school (which had been on my mind long before he and I spoke).
But he gave me another option I should look into: high school postgraduate. For those who aren't aware of what PG is, it's a 5th year of high school at a private school to enhance SAT, GPA, course rigor, and show academic interest. But even with a PG year, acceptance into a target or semi-target isn't guaranteed (obviously).
So, given what I said, which school should I attend (or if anyone has better school recommendations)? Or should I do a PG? Or should I just attend UConn and try to transfer?
P.S. I spoke with a UConn alum, and he is currently in IB. Citi goes to UConn to hire, and it's overall not a bad school. But if I can go to a better school, I am all for it.
I have experience transferring to a top (non-target) T10-T15 school. I would say it was 50/50 (see below comment) between kids transferring from their state school, and kids from T15-T30 schools. If you want to take the transfer route, I would recommend staying in-state. I think it tells a 'story' that looks slightly more favorable. UConn has a great program for a state school and is relatively inexpensive in-state. If you're paying for college, it's a solid option to learn and save some money for the first year or two. In my opinion, going to another state school isn't a great idea financially and would show that you either couldn't get into something better or wanted the "state school experience," which is very different from the traditional liberal arts experience in the top schools. Going to UConn says that you wanted to save some money.
To transfer: Get your SAT/ACT as high as you can, that's what saved me (99+%tile ACT). You also need to be getting mostly As in your classes with the occasional B+. Most of the kids I spoke to in my transfer class had 3.9+ college GPAs.
Also, don't bother transferring to HYPM (didn't try Stanford), they'll take your $70 and your application but only accept military/athletic students (~7-12 people/year).
Honestly, senior year of HS is way too early to be thinking about recruiting. I thought I'd be going into a completely different field then (and school) and I still made it work. There are many different ways to break in.
I'll modify that, I'd say it was 30% state/60% top, 10% other
Super rough numbers, super small sample size of people I talked to. Not exhaustive or statistically verifiable at all.
Edit: If I were you, I'd apply for UConn, shoot for NESCAC/T30 etc. See what you get into and then try to transfer to T15 if you're up for it. I agree with the guy from Yale, UConn looks better to transfer colleges and recruiters alike as it is your state school.
My 2c
Incorrect. School choice and major largely determines your path. For example if he wanted to do SCM, Penn State would probably be a good choice. Thinking about your path prior to college is essential.
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The above arguments leave out one key thing: after a less than a handful of years of experience, no one cares where you went to college except the snobs. So at the end of the day, choose which one makes the most sense to you like UConn.
For instance, I graduated high school early by absenteeism sending me to alt school (one semester in three weeks! And I almost absenteet'd out of that too lol), but wound up as a senior consultant having done PWM, SEC reporting and had hedge fund offers after making it into UT applying only 48 hours before the deadline. You're gonna turn out fine man.
Absolutely right— I seemed to have gotten distracted by the forest for the trees.
Work experience and ethic is greatly more important than your alma mater. Just get your foot in the door and work your way up.
A few things, there has been a lot of non targets entering IB in the last 15 years.
The best school for you is the one you personally connect with, that is not going to put you into massive amounts of debt. Rutgers has a lot of good placement due to the location of the school. You can just hop on a train next to the campus and go to Newark, Jersey City and NYC. Penn State is becoming popular because investment banking is becoming a popular career to pursue amongst the students, so it is worth recruiting from that school. UCONN has location as well. It is a little over an hour from Boston and a little over two hours from NYC and Fairfield County. On days you do not have class or class ends early you can go to either of those places and network. Central Connecticut has a lot of fortune 500 companies as well as local wealth management firms as well. You can get a corporate finance internship and a wealth management internship to start to build your resume. Worst case scenario, you major in accounting, go to the Big 4, get your CPA (job security) and then lateral to banking.
Do not listen to your friend. Just because he went to Yale, does not mean he knows what he is talking about. The recruiters and other gatekeepers are not going to spend time looking at your resume to see if you got rejected or accepted to a target school. They do not have time for that. Most of your hiring managers (Analyst 2 and up) care more about internships, skill, networking and knowing what banking is. They have been burned by target grads that were not cut out for banking and were just hired for the prestige of the school. It also is not as easy as you think it is to get a job in banking from a target school. It has gotten harder for target grads over the years. Many have to do the same amount of networking, pre-SA internships, and informational interviews.
At the end of the day, the best choice is your choice.
PSU has a lot of connections on the street and a very prominent undergrad fund. Rutgers is close to the city which helps with networking, off cycle internships, etc
If you get a 3.8+, network, have an internship or two, and aren't totally bombing interviews you should have no problem landing IB from either of those schools
I would pick those over UConn, not a fan of Storrs or the UConn business school but personal preference there.
As someone who goes to Penn state remote currently (successfully transferred into WashU, starting next semester) I can confidently say that going in person to Penn State and joining the right organizations will likely give you a competitive edge in networking and securing an offer. Ive networked my tits off since I started, if you go there make sure to join the Nittany Lion Fund and the Intrieri Student managed fund and put in some time there. the NLF professor knows a lot of big wigs on Wall Street, you get a certificate once you complete it. Something like 85% of the NLF students secure an internship. The intrieri fund is also good, but less well known. I would do both just to have that additional experience. From what Ive learned from other students and alumni who are further into their goal of attaining a spot at a BB, you have to have top notch grades to make the cut to be selected over target school kids. That being said, the alumni of Penn state will help you if you find the right people. There are a lot of Penn state alumni on Wall Street. Out of all state schools besides uMich, Penn State will likely get you further and into more doors. best of luck!
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