Best S&T desks for non-STEM/CS background
I am interested in the sales and trading industry, and am looking into which desks would be good for me. However, as the title states, I am an econ/history major at a top liberal arts school, and am not a super quant heavy person (compared to those with math/CS/physics degrees). My interests lie in fixed-income products, particularly credit and rates products, and am hoping to go to a HF (global macro). The following are some of the things I am wondering about, and it would be great if you all could give me some support. This is all regarding sell-side BB desks.
- How good at math do you need to be to become a trader? I would consider myself to be okay at math, but I do not excel in any way. I realize this question is mostly desk-dependent, but I'd like to get a better sense of what the expectations are. If it's a rates/macro trading desk, will it still require deeper math/CS background? How technical are the interviews?
- How much better/worse are the exit opps for the sales side compared to the trading side at BBs?
- Which of the following would be the best fit for me given everything else in this post?
- Credit (IG/HY)
- Commodities
- Rates (STIR, etc.)
- EM
- Equities (how much easier/harder is the equities side?)
Thank you!
For someone with a non-STEM/CS background and an interest in fixed-income products like credit and rates, here’s what you need to know based on the most helpful WSO content:
1. Math Expectations for Traders
2. Technicality of Interviews
3. Sales vs. Trading Exit Opportunities
4. Best Desk Fit for You
Based on your background and interests: - Credit (IG/HY): A strong fit for someone with an econ/history background. It’s less quant-heavy and focuses on fundamental analysis and relative value. This desk also offers decent exit opportunities to credit-focused hedge funds. - Rates (STIR, etc.): While more quant-heavy than credit, it’s still manageable if you’re comfortable with basic math and economic concepts. Rates desks are highly macro-focused, aligning well with your interest in global macro hedge funds. - Commodities: This can be a good option if you’re interested in physical markets and supply-demand dynamics. It’s less quant-heavy but requires a strong understanding of the underlying markets. - Equities: Easier to break into compared to fixed income, but the exit opportunities to global macro hedge funds are less aligned with your stated goals.
5. Additional Tips
In summary, Credit and Rates desks seem to be the best fit for your background and goals. They align with your interest in fixed-income products and offer strong exit opportunities to global macro hedge funds.
Sources: S&T Summer Analyst Lateral to IB FT?, HELP: The Future of the S&T Job Market and Selecting the Right Desk, Conversation with an Equities Sales Trader, Best Desks for Sell-Side Trader --> Buy-Side Macro PM, Q&A: MBB, BB S&T+IB, Top MBA, US/Global
Overall, if you're looking to exit out of sell side S&T, I think there is pretty good correlation between quantitative skills and exits. The difference maker in sell side trading is primarily risk management and pricing strategies. For most products, this means math. I'd recommend looking at IG/HY/distressed credit as places to start off since that skillset is closer to accounting/fundamentals. Whatever rates risk exists is usually hedged off.
Thanks for your reply. I now have the following questions.
Thanks in advance!
lots of relationship-driven commods desks...would look into that
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