20 Comments
 
ivoteforthatguy
BernankeyBuying into gold is Tulipmania

one day. when we see the man on the street buying gold and not selling it, it's time to exit.

Agreed. Been long for a while and just waiting for my exit signal.

To OP: Why calls instead of buying the underlying? If you are going to sink such a significant % of your net worth into a single investment, why not use the least volatile method?

 
mfoste1
BernankeyBuying into gold is Tulipmania

you were probably one of those saying that at 1k.....

No doubt. The mania that pervades gold is contagious...thats not to say its not fundamentally overvalued. People are purchasing it as a hedge. It is no longer trading as a typical commodity.

Not saying the gold bubble is gonna pop soon...just saying that when it does the downside risk is tremendous...

 

Putting a large chunk of your saving in OTM calls is definitely a good trade. Makes much more sense than just buying the underlying.

It's bold. I'll give you that.

 
Best Response

I'm not sure anyone can put a quantitative answer whether it is a good trade or not however:

I'm curious why you'd do this with 30,000 of your own money but not any of your firms (i'm assuming you're a trader).

If you dont believe it works, then don't do it. If you do believe it will work, you wil undoubtedly recoup significantly more, you could even speak to your company and say you want to use the first 30k to cover losses in return for a higher % return than usual.

If this isn't possible then ignore the above. Ultimately it's your money, and you wont get bailed out if you lose it all, but you can't lose more than that so have fun.

Not sure how much you're making off this trade without checking the current numbers, but given that gold is used as a haven against the dollar, so you may want a hedge against that, probably not sometihng you care about but had to consider all options.

 

I think gold could make a large move in either direction. I would consider using a spread if i were you. Got to protect yourself on the downside.

 

well you have a couple of enemies arrayed against you:

  1. theta
  2. vega crush (vols have surged recently; you may want to delay buying those calls until vol sits down more)
  3. CBs don't want PMs rising too much too fast. it's an embarassing open revelation of their failed policies. they realize this strategy by letting the regs turn a blind eye to CME manipulations. look at how silver was machine gunned in May with 5 consecutive margin hikes and both gold and silver in september with massive consecutive margin hikes. it's been 3 years since andrew maguire blew a whistle and laid out a roadmap of JPM/HSBC's PM manipulations, but the CFTC has yet to move on that.

gotta know yourself and know your enemy as sun tzu said.

as for your iran thesis: oil has already detached from the commodity complex. maybe you should just momo this thing and buy front month calls on USO instead.

 

It is impossible to be certain if gld hits 200, and although I tend to assume this trend will continue forever I'm not too comfortable with the lack of risk control with your directional bet. Instead of having a bullish view and just leaving your money up for grabs in the options market, why don't you actively trade around your bullish gold outlook in the GC futures markets with strict risk control trading one contract at a time? Sure, you might not hit that gld @ $200 home-run, but you could potentially achieve similar returns with much lower risk. Putting on a spread trade isn't a bad idea either.

 
Macro ArbitrageGood, cause things would have gone really bad.

Maybe this site isn't full of chimpanzees after all. Seriously, I would have been pissed. I made some money buying LULU puts for earnings and buying BAC at 5.09 instead.

"The higher up the mountain, the more treacherous the path" -Frank Underwood
 

Esse quidem ipsam qui quo molestias. Voluptas minus saepe et tenetur iste est. Facere maxime aut sed qui numquam.

Sit accusamus omnis rerum est inventore. Et ipsum libero quis fuga aut a. Laudantium quisquam et in dolores in enim.

Eveniet tenetur enim sapiente in eos. Praesentium facere error iste inventore. Explicabo molestias iusto voluptatibus voluptatibus sed. Maiores et minima soluta impedit inventore quo sit. Totam dicta laborum ut libero distinctio. Ut et ad quo earum quia quis quasi. Fugit maiores libero perspiciatis doloremque vitae iure.

Voluptatibus sequi ut amet ut ut nobis. Earum voluptates a ipsa impedit aut expedita nulla sed. Nemo velit quis laudantium non. Et tenetur sunt voluptatem qui perspiciatis aliquam.

Career Advancement Opportunities

August 2026 Investment Banking

  • Evercore 01 99.4%
  • Moelis & Company 01 98.9%
  • JPMorgan 01 98.3%
  • Morgan Stanley 08 97.8%
  • Goldman Sachs 02 97.2%

Overall Employee Satisfaction

August 2026 Investment Banking

  • Moelis & Company No 99.4%
  • Evercore No 98.9%
  • Morgan Stanley 01 98.3%
  • Banco Santander 02 97.8%
  • BMO Capital Markets 12 97.2%

Professional Growth Opportunities

August 2026 Investment Banking

  • Evercore 01 99.4%
  • Moelis & Company 01 98.9%
  • Morgan Stanley 06 98.3%
  • Goldman Sachs 01 97.8%
  • JPMorgan 01 97.2%

Total Avg Compensation

August 2026 Investment Banking

  • Vice President (16) $429
  • Associates (48) $259
  • 3rd+ Year Analyst (8) $210
  • 2nd Year Analyst (25) $178
  • Intern/Summer Associate (14) $159
  • 1st Year Analyst (83) $151
  • Intern/Summer Analyst (75) $101
notes
16 IB Interviews Notes

“... there’s no excuse to not take advantage of the resources out there available to you. Best value for your $ are the...”

Leaderboard

1
redever's picture
redever
99.2
2
BankonBanking's picture
BankonBanking
99.0
3
kanon's picture
kanon
99.0
4
Secyh62's picture
Secyh62
99.0
5
DrApeman's picture
DrApeman
98.9
6
GameTheory's picture
GameTheory
98.9
7
Betsy Massar's picture
Betsy Massar
98.9
8
CompBanker's picture
CompBanker
98.9
9
dosk17's picture
dosk17
98.9
10
Mimbs's picture
Mimbs
98.8
success
From 10 rejections to 1 dream investment banking internship

“... I believe it was the single biggest reason why I ended up with an offer...”