Are Investment Bankers Rich?
I have heard that they are cutting bonuses big leauge? The cost of living in NYC has gone up very high! I am now chosing the division I will be going into and I want to know if I can get rich in investment banking? I am willing to work a 110 hours a week if it means I could clear $1M a year. Is this realistic while working at a firm that I do not run? I am not familiar so dont haze me
Can Investment Bankers Get Wealthy Out of College?
Right out of college, investment bankers are not rich. They are paid well and in exchange new bankers work many hours (60 - 100 hours). IBankers make a stable living but won't be what is typically considered “rich” until they move onto buyside opportunities (in some circumstances), leverage their experience into becoming managers at companies and gaining an equity stake, or moving much further up the investment banking command change. Starting out of undergrad - you will not clear $1 million.
NYC_KIDWhen you’re working 110 hours a week at an investment bank you are getting about the same hourly wage as a California McDonalds employee. If you don't want to put in time early in your career without seeing immediate financial reward like you expect than investment banking is not the job for you. At the analyst level (where those hours are generally seen) you are getting paid very well relative to people your age but you have to work for it. Like others have already said its when you get into your 30s that you will see your hard work pay off, I.E using your investment banking experience to leverage a move to a more lucrative career in hedge funds, private equity etc.... or getting promoted to a title in investment banking that will pay closer to the numbers you expect.
mcmckay21Not rich, but certainly stable, which is nothing to scoff at. If you are able to leverage your skills to get an equity stake somewhere you should be on the path to more wealth. you need to own to grow.
Gotham's Reckoning - Investment Banking AssociateBankers are not "rich". Is it the best job experience/pay you can get coming out of school? You bet. Does working 100 hrs. A week and losing all meaningful family and friend relationships for only $1MM, taxed at 50% 15 years from now make you rich? Nope lol.A little bit of real world truth for you...small business owners (did not say risky startup) are the rich people. Their dollar per hour is higher than basically any banker/PE/HF guy I know excluding the boutique firm owners of the world. Business owners are kings. Ask any high net worth wealth manager who makes up his top 100 clients? Bankers = 3%. Business owners = >80% Who makes the decisions? The owner. Who is the reason you are modeling at 2 am? The owner. Who held the NBA finals trophy up first? The owner. Banking is the stepping stone.
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Sorry but I just threw monkey shit at you. Consider yourself hazed.
+1 for stepping up and being pledgemaster
I would say that they are rich compared to working professionals. However, if you consider founders of some companies or success athletes they seem like poor children in 3rd world countries...
This.
People underestimate how difficult it is to have your cake and eat it as well. In terms of being rich AND young, banking will not cut it. You will always be a tier below athletes, celebrities, and successful entrepreneurs.
HOWEVER...
When both you and the former NBA player are 35 years old, you will reap what you sow. While the athletes and celebrities becoming too old (Can't compete, looks / popularity declines), you on the other hand will be clearing exorbitant amounts of income assuming you are smart. How you choose to spend your money will be up to you.
Exactly!
Getting rich at the analyst level is not realistic, also you should be interested in investment banking for a multitude of reasons not just the money.
" I am willing to work a 110 hours a week if it means I could clear $1M a year"
Probably won't hit that until you're a second/third year analyst but otherwise you should be in good shape. If you want more money, I would suggest being a hedge fund manager right out of college.
Another example of clueless millennial. Go say that during your OCR. One hell of power move.
First SB given!
I am clueless. This is why I want to know the information, I do not know how it works out there!
LMAO just another naive college student. Bankers are not "rich". There are some exceptions, but mainly just a bunch of guys who work too much to be proud to have an extra digit on their mortgage and car payment vs. the 9-5 crowd. Is it the best job experience/pay you can get coming out of school? You bet. Does working 100 hrs. A week and losing all meaningful family and friend relationships for only $1MM, taxed at 50% 15 years from now make you rich? Nope lol.
A little bit of real world truth for you...small business owners (did not say risky startup) are the rich people. Their dollar per hour is higher than basically any banker/PE/HF guy I know excluding the boutique firm owners of the world. Business owners are kings. Ask any high net worth wealth manager who makes up his top 100 clients? Bankers = 3%. Business owners = >80% Who makes the decisions? The owner. Who is the reason you are modeling at 2 am? The owner. Who held the NBA finals trophy up first? The owner.
Banking is the stepping stone. If you want to be a b**** for clients and look like you're 60 when you've just had your 45th birthday, so that you can make $0.50 on the dollar, be my guest bud.
but many small business owners do not make it - so I wonder if the analysis would change for IB/PE/HF vs SBO if you included risk in the calculation.
Most do...I'm not talking about street vendors. I'm talking about 10+ year old, $1mm - $5mm EBITDA businesses
I'm just curious, but how does the effective tax come out to 50%? The max marginal rate is 40% right? Is it the AMTI that causes each marginal dollar to be so low or what? I'm not saying you're wrong, just wondering because a lot of my friends in banking say this.
FEDERAL max marginal rate. If you're a banker you will live in NYC which has an even more insane tax structure.
Exactly. You're probably not going to get rich climbing the corporate ladder unless you hit the C-suite at a fortune 500 or CEO at a smaller firm...for example I've seen some small commercial banks (think that operate across 2-4 states) declare CEO compensation in the $1mm range, but that's not "rich" compared to people like star athletes.
So why do you do it?
State tax, obama care tax, fica taxes, lol should I keep going? If I have to explain this to you, you don't make enough yet. W-2 income is the worst form of income from a taxation perspective
not rich, but certainly stable, which is nothing to scoff at. if you are able to leverage your skills to get an equity stake somewhere you should be on the path to more wealth. you need to own to grow.
Not realistic at all, when your working 110 hours a week at an investment bank you are getting about the same hourly wage as a California McDonalds employee. If you don't want to put in time early in your career without seeing immediate financial reward like you expect than investment banking is not the job for you. At the analyst level (where those hours are generally seen) you are getting paid very well relative to people your age but you have to work for it. Like others have already said its when you get into your 30s that you will see your hard work pay off, I.E using your Investment banking experience to leverage a move to a more lucrative career in hedge funds, private equity etc.... or getting promoted to a title in investment banking that will pay closer to the numbers you expect.
I don't understand how PE pays so much more than IB? How is that the case ? as a junior you don't get to smell the 2/20 so that's irrelevant. What should you do to get rich ? start owning RE on the side asap ?
TBH...It doesn't unless you get carry. An associate at our bank make just as much, if not more all in comp that a PE associate.
Equity is everything. I have a rental, but that's more of a long-term slow play / tax strategy than anything. Like I said above, equity is KING. Do what you have to do to get that.
Besides getting high enough in the ladder somewhere to be given some scraps of equity do you have any other idea of getting there ? Investing in small stocks ? sadly the trend now is that all promising companies stay private until they make it big. Retail investors only get shit atm it seems :(
Are they rich? Sure. Are they wealthy, probably 30/70 split.
Glad I asked the question, got killed in the comment section but at least I understand the truth now. Why do people do it if they are not getting paid that much after taxes? I do not see what is attractive about not having time for family, looking like "60 at 45" and making other people rich?
Mate, do whatever the fuck it is you enjoy doing.
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