Bad resume?

EDUCATION

Dartmouth College Hanover, NH
Bachelor of Arts in Economics/Mathematics Graduation May 2012
* GPA: 4.0

EXPERIENCE

BIG BANK 1 Private Banking Intern Chicago, IL June - August 2008
* Collaborated with two financial advisors
* Prepared marketing materials for clients
* Attended and presented at client advisory meetings
* Prospected for and contacted new clients
* Created power point presentations and brochures

BIG BANK 2 Corporate Bond Desk Intern Chicago, IL
June - August 2007
* Worked with the associate manager of the municipal bond desk
* Analyzed client portfolios daily and fielded questions from financial advisors
* Searched for bonds compatible with clients' goals

LEADERSHIP

Journal: Assistant Editor Hanover, NH
June 2008 - August 2008
* Developed ideas for new sections
* Coordinated the solicitation of new articles
* Edited and supervised editing of articles

Charity: Coordinator Chicago, IL
August 2005 - May 2007
* Planned meetings and set the agenda
* Organized events such as language seminars for refugee children
* Coordinated between members and other institutions

ACTIVITIES

Investing Society: Member
Student Government: Representative

SKILLS

Office, Adobe, Bloomberg, Morningstar

No offers, few interviews>

Comments (34)

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Feb 19, 2011

You have a 4.0 from an Ivy and 2 solid internships (could be described better), but once you hit the interview point your interview is 90% what matters, not your school, GPA, or resume. How did you get 2 internships before junior year - you probably interviewed well if you go those?

Feb 19, 2011

In all honesty, your resume looks fairly generic. As an on-campus recruiter, this is what I would think:

  • GPA: good
  • Major: Econ/math. Could mean anything from taking the easiest possible classes to really taking an intense route with the math. I wonder if there was any advanced math at all? Probably not, or it would be listed.
  • Okay, did some stuff in high school. I wonder what this person was up to in college. No summer research or anything?
  • Has some extracurriculars, okay
  • Member of investing society? What do they even do?
  • Student government... okay, could mean any of a million things, time commitments, etc.. Probably once every couple of weeks, and few actual accomplishments or they would be listed.
  • Skills... okay, nothing special

Would I interview you? Maybe. There are too many econ/math majors, particularly at liberal arts schools, who try to game the system and up their GPA without taking any hard classes. Without any research experience with professors, no work experience (outside of two stints from high school), no hard classes listed, and actually nothing really noteworthy listed for any of your college years, I can't really say that there's anything special. The one thing that would prevent me from immediately discarding the resume is that you have a 4.0.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I don't mean to say that your achievements aren't impressive (well, I honestly can't tell), but they certainly aren't presented in a way that differentiates you from the next econ/math major.

Feb 19, 2011
Notepad:

In all honesty, your resume looks fairly generic. As an on-campus recruiter, this is what I would think:

  • GPA: good
  • Major: Econ/math. Could mean anything from taking the easiest possible classes to really taking an intense route with the math. I wonder if there was any advanced math at all? Probably not, or it would be listed.
  • Okay, did some stuff in high school. I wonder what this person was up to in college. No summer research or anything?
  • Has some extracurriculars, okay
  • Member of investing society? What do they even do?
  • Student government... okay, could mean any of a million things, time commitments, etc.. Probably once every couple of weeks, and few actual accomplishments or they would be listed.
  • Skills... okay, nothing special

Would I interview you? Maybe. There are too many econ/math majors, particularly at liberal arts schools, who try to game the system and up their GPA without taking any hard classes. Without any research experience with professors, no work experience (outside of two stints from high school), no hard classes listed, and actually nothing really noteworthy listed for any of your college years, I can't really say that there's anything special. The one thing that would prevent me from immediately discarding the resume is that you have a 4.0.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I don't mean to say that your achievements aren't impressive (well, I honestly can't tell), but they certainly aren't presented in a way that differentiates you from the next econ/math major.

Don't think this is a problem. Beyond the sophomore level, there are no easy math classes. Assuming he has gone through real and complex analysis, linear algebra, and modern algebra, he's gone through the fire. That, and the 4-6 other math electives that majors have to take.

If you managed to pull off a 4.0 at Dartmouth doing this, smarts is not what you are lacking. Do mock interviews with seniors. Reach out for help on the personal skills.

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Feb 19, 2011
ivoteforthatguy:
Notepad:

In all honesty, your resume looks fairly generic. As an on-campus recruiter, this is what I would think:

  • GPA: good
  • Major: Econ/math. Could mean anything from taking the easiest possible classes to really taking an intense route with the math. I wonder if there was any advanced math at all? Probably not, or it would be listed.
  • Okay, did some stuff in high school. I wonder what this person was up to in college. No summer research or anything?
  • Has some extracurriculars, okay
  • Member of investing society? What do they even do?
  • Student government... okay, could mean any of a million things, time commitments, etc.. Probably once every couple of weeks, and few actual accomplishments or they would be listed.
  • Skills... okay, nothing special

Would I interview you? Maybe. There are too many econ/math majors, particularly at liberal arts schools, who try to game the system and up their GPA without taking any hard classes. Without any research experience with professors, no work experience (outside of two stints from high school), no hard classes listed, and actually nothing really noteworthy listed for any of your college years, I can't really say that there's anything special. The one thing that would prevent me from immediately discarding the resume is that you have a 4.0.

Sorry if this sounds harsh. I don't mean to say that your achievements aren't impressive (well, I honestly can't tell), but they certainly aren't presented in a way that differentiates you from the next econ/math major.

Don't think this is a problem. Beyond the sophomore level, there are no easy math classes. Assuming he has gone through real and complex analysis, linear algebra, and modern algebra, he's gone through the fire. That, and the 4-6 other math electives that majors have to take.

If you managed to pull off a 4.0 at Dartmouth doing this, smarts is not what you are lacking. Do mock interviews with seniors. Reach out for help on the personal skills.

The econ/math major varies from school to school. At my undergrad, all that is required for econ/math is calculus/linear algebra/real analysis, which is certainly nothing special.

My comments were an attempt to address why the person didn't manage to get that many interviews.

Feb 19, 2011

thing is i only had like 2 interviews...so they didnt even select my resume...

Feb 19, 2011

guys yr getting caught up in my bs...the math was hard. its no joke.
my question is why wasnt i selected for the freaking first round?? i assumed i would get every bb first round- so did my friends- not being cocky here

Feb 19, 2011
  1. activity gap last two summers
  2. your resume needs more color. quantify your achievements. and make sure you are not making any typos or grammatical errors. those are instant dings for some readers.
Feb 19, 2011

Actually, the reason I am advising listing coursework is that my undergrad was H/Y/P/MIT/Caltech, and you can literally game the system to get an easy math major. Knowing this, I would grill any math major on coursework. If I don't hear real analysis / complex analysis / abstract algebra / measure theory / functional analysis / topology, then the major is heavily discounted in my eyes.

That's why, when I see 4.0 + math, I think "suspicious" rather than "impressive." Listing coursework will make it impressive.

Feb 19, 2011
Notepad:

Actually, the reason I am advising listing coursework is that my undergrad was H/Y/P/MIT/Caltech, and you can literally game the system to get an easy math major. Knowing this, I would grill any math major on coursework. If I don't hear real analysis / complex analysis / abstract algebra / measure theory / functional analysis / topology, then the major is heavily discounted in my eyes.

That's why, when I see 4.0 + math, I think "suspicious" rather than "impressive." Listing coursework will make it impressive.

holy shit, i went to one of those, and we surely could not have pulled that off.

still though, i think it would be pretentious to list measure theory on an IBD resume. seriously, we don't go beyond jr high math to do a DCF.

Feb 19, 2011
ivoteforthatguy:
Notepad:

Actually, the reason I am advising listing coursework is that my undergrad was H/Y/P/MIT/Caltech, and you can literally game the system to get an easy math major. Knowing this, I would grill any math major on coursework. If I don't hear real analysis / complex analysis / abstract algebra / measure theory / functional analysis / topology, then the major is heavily discounted in my eyes.

That's why, when I see 4.0 + math, I think "suspicious" rather than "impressive." Listing coursework will make it impressive.

holy shit, i went to one of those, and we surely could not have pulled that off.

still though, i think it would be pretentious to list measure theory on an IBD resume. seriously, we don't go beyond jr high math to do a DCF.

Yeah, a lot of it is luck of the draw. If your resume fell into the hands of somebody whose friends pulled crap like that (somebody like me), then it wouldn't be pretentious at all, but highly informative.

Feb 21, 2011
ivoteforthatguy][quote=Notepad:

seriously, we don't go beyond jr high math to do a DCF.

Exactly.

The reason you aren't getting FT interviews for IBD is because you've never done it before.

Feb 19, 2011

describe color lol...i did a charity last summer so didnt think it was relevant

Oct 8, 2015

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Feb 19, 2011
bcbunker1:

are you looking for ibd? or s&t? just wondering because you have pwm and s&t internships

you might want to expand upon your investing society experience

your resume is a little too heavy on the duties....almost like a job description

did you do any networking? a 4.0 from dartmouth is impressive but it isnt like you can avoid putting any effort in to get interviews

im looking or was looking for IBD. what shld i list instead of duties though?

well i said hi to the recruiters and talked with some of the employees, i mean i didnt send them emails or give them my resumes. was more low key

Feb 19, 2011

How did you get two internships before junior year? That's impressive. Have you tried to get into IBD / S&T at the places you interned at?

Try for any boutique for the summer (apply everywhere online and network through alumni), then once full-time rolls around try to get a ton of guys inside every bank pulling for you by organizing informational interviews with them and having them pass your resume on

Feb 19, 2011

well i knew someone at ubs and pwm is easy to get...any ideas for boutiques are still searching? im open to all regions. is it still possible to get an FT?
didnt try ubs....and boa ml didnt care

Feb 19, 2011
Feb 19, 2011

and try UBS, might not be two late especially if you had an in

Feb 19, 2011

Notepad, seriously? Whether it's BA or BS in Math, 4.0 at Junior level is not "good," It's fucking amazing. I went to top-10 public and got a degree in math. There is no "easy" way, unless you went to a clown university. No need to talk trash to wannab2011. My friend studies at LSE Finance (45 spots for 1,600+ applicants) and even he couldn't pull off a 4.0 in math.

wannab2011, solid resume. Work on your interviewing skills, and dont forget, luck is part of the equation as well. Also post your resume on http://www.razume.com/ Maybe the formatting is all screwed up.

Feb 19, 2011

Your internships are good for your age, but as others have said, you don't quantify any of your results. I see your private banking internship and think to myself, "Well, no shit you collaborated with financial advisors." It's not an accomplishment in the same way that dribbling a basketball in a basketball game is not an accomplishment. Let people know WHAT YOU GOT DONE.

And dude, it's PowerPoint. The fucking name is ubiquitous. To have so much exposure to the program but not even know how to spell its damn name properly speaks poorly of your attention to detail. Monkey see, monkey do.

Feb 19, 2011

Looks like a great resume to me!

Feb 19, 2011

I mean, I'm not a professional, but as a fellow student I wonder, "What did you do summers in college?" as well as "what courses are you taking so I can see just how impressive the 4.0 is?" Plus your verbs are just really boring. As a recruiter I would just think you didn't give a shit about bothering to make your resume nice if I saw this. Even if you did charity work, show you did something and then add personality.

Feb 21, 2011
anaismalcolm:

I mean, I'm not a professional, but as a fellow student I wonder, "What did you do summers in college?" as well as "what courses are you taking so I can see just how impressive the 4.0 is?" Plus your verbs are just really boring. As a recruiter I would just think you didn't give a shit about bothering to make your resume nice if I saw this. Even if you did charity work, show you did something and then add personality.

At a top school like Dartmouth, you can definitely find some gut courses to pad your GPA, but taking exclusively gut courses to have a 4.0, especially in Econ or Math, I would think is borderline impossible. At my Ivy, math was one of the hardest majors and very few people actually got degrees in it.

It sounds like here that you really needed to network. In talking to a few IBD analyst friends who did BB/elite boutique resume screening for my school, they would throw out resumes that had ~3.9/4.0 because they assumed you were boring (no joke, that's what they told me) unless you had other extracurriculars that set you apart. Most people with top grades did also have great extracurriculas/work experience, but those that didn't were dinged almost automatically unless someone knew them and could vouch for them. They'd much rather have a 3.7 who was an athlete/campus leader/fraternity/other impressive EC that really distinguished themself somehow than someone who was in the business frat/investing club and didn't do any EC that showed that they would be a fun analyst to work with.

This is obviously not uniformly how banks do recruiting, as I would think some places emphasize this while others don't as much, but just giving my two cents based on what I have heard from friends actually screening resumes.

Feb 19, 2011

Anyone find it odd that all the dates on the resume are from ~2008, and that it's currently 2011?

Feb 20, 2011

List the charity work. It shows you did something during the summer instead of wasting your time. Plus, from what I hear, banks are big on community service/volunteer work, so that will work to your advantage. Your details on each bullet point are severely lacking -- elaborate, fluff, and quantify. The gaps in 2009/2010 is probably what killed you. While every other kid is doing something during the summer mostly finance related, you don't have anything to back up your interest and hunger. Lastly, you probably didn't network enough. Normally this wouldn't be a problem with a 4.0 from Dartmouth if you had internship experience, but without that, the recruiters don't have any idea what type of person you are, which networking would be crucial for because you would be able to show them in person. If the recruiters liked you, then it would be easy for them to throw your resume in the interview pile because of your 4.0 Ivy.

Keep networking and develop your story to break in.

Feb 21, 2011

bump. solid resume imo to get a 1st round

Feb 21, 2011

If you are having that hard of a time recruiting, consider doing a 1-year master's, and trying for SA recruiting. I knew a guy who was 3.3 poli sci from a HYP who got into an IBD SA class through back channels, and he went on to do fine for FT recruiting. It is not uncommon at all.

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