Best Non-Target / Semi-Target Undergrad?

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Hi all, I'm a current HS senior looking to do something in Finance and Investment Bankings seems like an appealing and interesting thing to pursue. I know IB is not the end all be all, but I would still like it to be an option for me should my interest in it continue into and through college.

The current schools I'm looking at are:

Indiana University (also, I know the IB Workshop is great, but what about kids not in it, how do they place?)
Villanova
Wake Forest
Miami of Ohio

How do these undergraduate business programs place in different regions of the country, if at all? Do you have any other suggestions for schools of the same caliber? Thanks!

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Sep 12, 2015

Villanova or Indiana, prolly 'nova. I heard their alumni connections are solid

Sep 12, 2015

they all suck

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Sep 13, 2015

ohio state, michigan state, wustl, UIUC, notre dame kind of stuff in the midwest doesn't sound too bad to me.

in general, assuming that schools are well-ranked.. at least within USNews top 100 or better?
they'd have a decent alumni network to pull graduates, and recruiters would find easy to spot a few viable candidates for final rounds (if they're close to the offices).

Sep 13, 2015

I'm looking at Kelley(IU) as my number one, although if I get into Villanova School of Business, I may go there. Does Miami of Ohio have decent pull in the Chicago area? I'd assume they have next to no pull in NYC.

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Sep 13, 2015

I don't go to Fordham but I hear their Campus Recruiting Services are very poor. Kids that land gigs have to do a lot of fighting on their own for them, like any other non-target school. Their location does help though.

Sep 13, 2015

It seems every fifth person I meet in NYC finance/consulting/anything is a Penn State kid

Nov 16, 2018
UFOinsider:

It seems every fifth person I meet in NYC finance/consulting/anything is a Penn State kid

Sep 13, 2015

This thread is a little misleading. I think you can make it from any halfway decent school given you work your ass off for it. I go to a supreme IBD non-target (1 post-BBA IBD analyst in the past 20-30 years) and am still getting interviews with BB's. Just get involved in school, network, and ball out.

Sep 13, 2015

If you want to go into finance, the best would probably be a school in NYC due to the ability to intern part-time during the school year. Other than that, any non-target with a reputable student-run investment fund and/or alumni on the street is a good bet.

Sep 13, 2015

Yeah I do know if you work hard and network you can make from most schools, but there are some non-targets that are more advantageous than others, like Penn State benefits from its large alumni base or Fordham benefits from its location. Thats what I am trying to get at

Sep 13, 2015

I am more interested in S&T than IBD though

Sep 13, 2015

College of W&M, John Hopkins, GWU, Penn State

Sep 13, 2015

Baruch? Not sure if it's considered semi target though.

Sep 13, 2015

leheigh, villanova

Sep 13, 2015

baruch

Sep 13, 2015

Why the hell would you want to go to the "best" non target? Target schools and semis are not that difficult to get into.

You're limiting your goals way too early, and you're going to fuck it all up.

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Sep 13, 2015

Targets aren't hard to get into? are you taking the piss?

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Sep 13, 2015

Don't go to Fordham. Their OCR is horrendous. Best way would be to hit the ground running and start interning in freshman year.

Trust me on this.

Sep 13, 2015

Google "highest paying undergrad business schools" and pick the first one that isn't a target.

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Sep 13, 2015

Came up with James Madison University, ha!

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Sep 13, 2015

What are your stats? You might have a decent shot at something like BC (semi), Vandy (semi), apply very broadly, first to see where you can get in and secondly, because financial aid offers can vary tremendously.

Sep 13, 2015

I couldn't get into Vandy or BC unfortunately, the best I could do is somewhere like Richmond which I hear is getting better recognition on the street, but I'm ambivalent as I am being told that by people who currently attend/attended.

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Sep 13, 2015

If you're looking at the east coast, Maryland might be a good option. They usually place a few kids every year onto Wall Street. Obviously UVA and Georgetown are better but as far as non-targets go, Maryland does relatively well.

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Sep 13, 2015

Pepperdine University in Malibu, CA. Easy to stand out if you know you're stuff, classes aren't hard, babes are all 7-10's. Really, the BABES.

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Sep 13, 2015

I realize that most investment banks don't recruit here but do any boutiques recruit at these colleges?

Sep 13, 2015

IMO, these would be considered very strong non-target. Could be considered Semi target to me.

Sep 13, 2015

imo only Lehigh, but it is really tough to get in to banking

i've never met or seen resumes of anyone from the other schools

Sep 13, 2015

Knew a guy who went into middle market IBD from Boston U. around 2006...but it's not 2006

Sep 13, 2015
RiskyBizness:

Knew a guy who went into middle market IBD from Boston U. around 2006...but it's not 2006

yeah, I know an older guy who went from BU to UBS > GS > JEF now, but that's not likely these days.

Sep 13, 2015

BU's actually ok, the cream gets into BB or MM IBD, OCR isn't great but I think we had Morgan Stanley, Fidelity and Citi among others here for IB SA recruiting.

Sep 13, 2015

I am a highschool senior so take what I know with a grain of salt but I've read way to much on these message boards and the schools websites and if I were you i'd stick to Lehigh or Northeastern.

Especially Lehigh if you are doing that CS/BBA 4 year program

Sep 13, 2015

You either have FO recruiting or you don't

'Before you enter... be willing to pay the price'

Sep 13, 2015
BepBep12:

You either have FO recruiting or you don't

Strongly disagree Goldman takes 15+ people from Wharton and maybe 1 each from these schools. They have a target # in mind for each school.

Sep 13, 2015

Lehigh, northeastern and BU all have alumni at my bank (top BB, IBD).

Sep 13, 2015

Lehigh gets OCR from JPM, MS, GS, Citi, CS, BOAML, Barclays, UBS, Blackstone, BlackRock, and a number of miscellaneous MM firms. Not all listed recruit both for IBD and S&T, but definitely recruits for either and many recruit for both.

Sep 13, 2015

Case Western will land you anything you want in Cleveland... the downside of course being living in Cleveland!! Honestly, there is a decent amount of IB and PE firms in the Cleveland/Columbus area. Probably the second best area outside of Chicago in the midwest.

Sep 13, 2015

So I think that it would be fair to rank them in this order?
1.) Lehigh
2.) Boston U
3.) Northeastern
4.) Case western
5.) Trinity College

??

Sep 13, 2015

BU, Lehigh, Case Western
BU is quite decent if you network well and the location is great for finding internships with some no-name boutiques in the city. If you like investment management, Boston has a number of quality AUM shops. I would think BU gives you the best opps at a potential transfer situation as well.

Sep 13, 2015

Also what are the prospects of getting in top masters in finance programs (princeton, columbia, etc.) and MBA programs (HBS 2+2, Wharton (after work exp), stanford, etc.)

Sep 13, 2015
Abhi7:

Also what are the prospects of getting in top masters in finance programs (princeton, columbia, etc.) and MBA programs (HBS 2+2, Wharton (after work exp), stanford, etc.)

Whoa there cowboy. I'd focus on getting the banking gig first.

Sep 13, 2015

Case has some in roads with banks in the MW. If you are specific about NYC, go with Lehigh or BU.

Otherwise:

1. Lehigh
2. CW (again, could end up at a KeyBanc, etc.)
3. BU
4. Northeastern

Sep 13, 2015

Lehigh is an actual hard academic school compared to most.

Sep 13, 2015

Thank you so much for responses.

Sep 13, 2015

Lehigh and Trinity are the top two ones. Lehigh had some kids intern for Blackstone this year, and I think they do fairly well for S&T as well. Overall while a pretty fratty school, academically its well known for engineering and has an up and coming business program, so the name is getting stronger. Know a kid there got a top industry specific boutique offer FT, and a ton of other kids went decent shops.

Trinity is a school that while OCR has declined in recent years, its alum network is absurd. Tons of Lazard, JPM, and ex GS guys, name carries very well in Boston/NYC elite circles. Puts 10 or so kids (out of a graduating class of 550) into IB every year, DB and Barclays usually hand out a decent number of first rounds as well. Lots of Boston Consulting companies as well.

Northeastern and BU are pretty even in my eyes. BU kids will bitch about it, but overall whatever is cheaper for you is probably the best bet. Both schools are on the lower end of the Boston schools, but if you kill it academically and network (as in any case), you will do fine. As people have stated, you can find a few MM alums, and I think they have a good relationship with local places like State Street for internships. Most of these kids do corp fin/accounting roles FT, not IB/trading.

Am not qualified to speak on Case Western.

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Sep 13, 2015

Really depends what you're looking for. I am at NU now (bias, sure) but have had incredible internships and have jobs lined up for when I get out of school at competitive locations. I think NEU tops the list for potential after graduation. Also, it is neck and neck (and pulling ahead) of BU in some major rankings.

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Sep 13, 2015

If these schools are truly non-core (no active banking recruiting), then the most important factor would be academic reputation. Trinity College is the top of this list (NESCAC school), with BU coming next. The rest are further down the line.

Sep 13, 2015
black mamba22:

If these schools are truly non-core (no active banking recruiting), then the most important factor would be academic reputation. Trinity College is the top of this list (NESCAC school), with BU coming next. The rest are further down the line.

Trinity is one of the not-too-impressive NESCAC schools, though.

Lehigh is far better than both of the Boston schools. His decision should be between Lehigh and Trinity.

Sep 13, 2015

Lots of BC and Trinity senior bankers at my bank. No one from Lehigh, BU, or Northeastern that I know of at any level. Not that this is representative, just one data point.

Sep 13, 2015

I've seen kids from non-targets get into BB, it's all about the knowledge you can convey in the interview and being able to network via cold calls like crazy.

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