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  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 12:06pm

True, Brown places lights out at top BB and CVP/PWP

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:46pm

I received a HV for 2 Goldman locations, and I attend a non-target. You just have to network with Goldman Sachs employees. 

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Jul 15, 2021 - 12:40pm

Overrated? This pretty much exactly aligns with my own (and most other bankers') perception of recruiting at Brown. Very few structured processes but great brand name and tight-knit alumni base. Low interest in IB / finance in general. Reading this post, I would say Brown is very "rated." 

I'll give it to you on student culture - still better IMO than the reverse, schools like Bentley that are full of privileged, sheltered idiots who cannot grasp the concept of poverty and wonder why homeless people simply don't get jobs. 

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 12:47pm

The more I think about it though, what schools even have a good culture? Don't say state schools because sports/frats culture gets old after a year. Top schools have too much wealth/privilege and lean too far left. Medium schools seem okay though

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 12:49pm

Agreed, too bad i'm not religious and they aren't more of a target

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:21pm

Oh shit he brought out the linkedin search

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 12:48pm

Really strong, probably the best part about Brown for recruiting (maybe law school is up there). We send double digits to each in MBB despite the Consulting club being full of dipshits that can't place besides the founders (placed at Bain and McK). Consulting loves us

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  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:02pm

As a brown graduate, this is an awful take. 

I have friends who are placing at- GS, Barclays (multiple), Citi, CS, JPM, PWP, Centerview, and Moelis. Tons of MM (Piper, Blair, etc) represented as well. Specifically at EBs (Centerview and PWP) brown is a top target and these firms hire something like 3-5 each per year, which is insane placement given the amount of kids trying to recruit from Brown. This isn't like 'oh there was one kid in my grade who I heard got GS'- these are people I'm friends with who landed top IB jobs. These kids aren't finance gods either- they're just generally smart people who did well in school and got tons of opportunities. Not to mention placement at other great finance gigs like HF (P72 and Citadel recruit heavily), PE (know a few people going direct to MM shops), GE (Insight, Spectrum recruit heavily), quant (super target for jane street, DE Shaw, lots of other prop trading firms). Also ridiculously good consulting placement- know at least 20 kids headed to MBB, everyone I know who did consulting recruited landed at one of those firms. 

If you can't get a good finance job out of Brown, I'm blaming you. I didn't really know if I wanted finance or consulting so I recruited for both and didn't take IB recruiting that seriously, but there was enough of a recruiting pipeline that I landed interviews at multiple BBs and an EB through OCR and got a job at a BB.

Totally agree that people give Brown an easier rep than it probably should have- I was a STEM major also and definitely didn't think it was easy- but still definitely easier to get an A at Brown than my friends at other ivies. If you don't have a 3.7+ GPA, you're a dumbass (and didn't learn how to use pass fail to help). No one in IB recruiting cares if you get cum laude or phi betta kappa or whatever, just that you have a decent GPA, and getting a decent GPA from Brown is insanely easy. 

As for the kids, ya a good portion of the student body is retarded, I don't disagree. Plenty of normal people also though. Would love to see one school in new england without an insane student body though- all my friends at other ivies generally had the same experience that tons of kids are insane. 

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:19pm

Actively recruited in the sense of like 'I definitely want IB, I'm going to network/grind/etc'? I would say maybe 20 at most- this is considering actively recruited in the sense that people on this site talk about it, which I wouldn't even say I did. I would say everyone in this camp lands a great job. 

Then probably another 20-30 are half ass recruiting where they sort of drop resumes online and maybe do a networking call here and there. I'd say placement from this camp is probably closer to 50%, but it's because they aren't actively recruiting in the right way.

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:16pm

Look, GS/Barclays, Citi FIG, 1-2 JPM, CS capital markets

we aren't a target for PWP anymore the class below me has no one in our NY office besides one girl,
CVP we have 1-3 a year, and one girl at moelis and evercore.

One person at Blair and one incoming at Piper is hardly "a ton" as well man. 

Agreed that the people placing are normal people, but yeah I guess I forgot about our insane quant/MBB placement, but other areas of high finance are sparse (PE/HF)

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:23pm

First of all, never heard someone be so critical of GS/Barclays before, those are two great firms (obviously) and a handful going to each every year is pretty great if you ask me. Also for the record the Citi kid I know is TMT, but again what's the different. Again, why is 1-2 a year to JPM a bad thing? 

For PWP, I actually know others in the class below who got superdays (and I think offers?) but didn't end up there, I'd say thats on individual candidates not like the end of the recruiting pipeline. There's something like 10 analysts at PWP who are Brown alums, I promise they're not done recruiting from Brown.

CVP is a solid 2-4 every year, and again not sure why your so dismissive of the 1 to Evercore and 1 to Moelis? Not that many kids from Brown recruit to these places. If 1 a year goes to Evercore, I would consider that pretty impressive placement. Also it's 3 at Blair, 2 Piper, but there's also HW and some other MMs. Didn't think I needed to list them all out. 

Not to mention kids working in S&T at pretty much every bank on the street. Just given the amount of kids who recruit vs the placement I listed, how is that anything less than stellar? 

  • Prospect in IB - Ind
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:30pm

Hey! Incoming freshman here, any tips on easy classes to boost GPA, clubs to join, etc? Thanks so much!

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:36pm

Join one of the investment group- any are fine (there's a main one, an ESG one, and a healthcare/biotech focused one), but just get involved with one. 

What are you majoring in? My advice is don't bite off more than you can chew from a major perspective (not worth the GPA hit), don't be afraid to SNC one class a semester if you're worried about not getting an A, but I'd also stay away from just econ/BEO as a major. The kids I know who placed well either did the joint majors with econ (can combo with either math or CS), or did like econ+english or something else random. 

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:14pm

my stereotype of brown is that its full of lesbians and unattractive potheads. not a lot of straight males 

Is that off base?

Basically a more prestigious Barnard

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:17pm

Pretty inaccurate. Yale has 1.5x more LGBTQ students than Brown for reference. Tons of hot people straight people. 

  • Analyst 1 in IB-M&A
Jul 15, 2021 - 1:26pm

I mean there's plenty of lesbians and unattractive potheads, but there is a decent contingent of straight males. Athletes and frats are the main safe haven for this group, but there's definitely pockets of normalcy and I don't think the ratio of crazy:normal is that different from other ivies (with the exception of maybe dartmouth)

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Ind
Jul 15, 2021 - 2:21pm

Didn't go to Brown but it objectively has the highest average GPA of comparable schools. You should not rely on OCR to get a job on the street. The alumni base might be small at Brown, but from what I gather, the alumni are more willing to go to bat for candidates than alumni from other schools. You just need one person internally championing you to get a first round. At that point, its on you.

  • Analyst 1 in IB - Ind
Jul 15, 2021 - 3:07pm

Hahahaha, so was the original post of Brown being overrated all a bait to get a lot of comments that way it looks like people are discussing how brown is underrated? i like

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Gen
Jul 15, 2021 - 3:08pm

Absolutely agree with this! 

I've seen kids go to all BBs and almost all EBs the past couple years. GS/Barc, CVP/PWP and a few others have good presence on campus, can get interviews at other banks for sure. Our alum base is very strong, with 75% willing to help out I'd say. Placement across the country, from SF to NY.

High GPA is quite useful IMO. Of course it can be relative to other Brown students, but will make you stand out where we are non target. Lots of upperclassmen willing to speak, almost all I reached out to got on multiple calls to mock, etc.

Jul 15, 2021 - 3:52pm

LMAO Idk if this is the ultimate troll or whatnot, +1 SB

"Markets can stay irrational longer than you can stay solvent."

Jul 15, 2021 - 5:00pm

At first I was confused like everyone else in this thread but after some thought, Brown kids interested in IB really have it made. Someone told me that an on campus Centerview info session once had less than 10 kids. 10!!! The fact that top banks will recruit here regardless of turnout speaks volumes about how the industry view the school

Brown is a hidden gem for sure, would take them over any competitive state school (though they are there for a reason) and probably Cornell, maybe Dartmouth, and Columbia. 

  • Intern in IB - Gen
Jul 15, 2021 - 6:22pm

How does Brown stack up with other schools for MF PE recruiting after banking? Don't see a lot of Brown people in private equity on LinkedIn, but could just be due to low interest?

Jul 16, 2021 - 8:53am

Here's a hot take - Brown kids have a great path to getting into FO/IB positions, but they are the lowest performers on average.
 

When I was at a BB in IB ('04-'07) they tried to drop my state school as a target for recruitment. I was actively involved in recruiting and asked HR to study analyst bonus buckets by school (we had 5 buckets at the time), and my school actually came in second on average analyst performance based on bonuses, sadly behind Wharton. Brown was dead last while in the top 2 or 3 based on total number of analysts (Wharton also had the most analysts as well). 
 

Brown is a great path to getting in, but how well do they perform?

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  • Intern in IB-M&A
Jul 16, 2021 - 7:47pm

Gotta say, this is too true. It's still a nice campus but nothing like Yale/Princeton. Guess having a tiny endowment has its drawbacks.

  • Incoming Analyst in IB-M&A
Jul 17, 2021 - 2:30pm

Providence is a nice little town, not sure if you've been on campus in the last five years but there are about 5 new buildings that are really great and its overall a better area. New haven suck

Jul 18, 2021 - 9:11am

Totally agree with this. And honestly, unless it's HYP or Wharton the rest of the "Ivies" really aren't that impressive. If I didn't go to Yale and didn't get into HYP or Wharton, I would have much rather have gone somewhere else for a specific program. Maybe MIT for tech, Chicago for econ, Gtown for ir, Hopkins for STEM.

At least these places have some credibility for leading in something.

Brown is a place you go to just to tell your hometown friends who can barely read that you "go to an Ivy" lol.

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