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Citi IBD Groups - How is deal flow and experience?

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Wanted to know everybodys opinion on the best 3 groups to get into at Citi in terms of analyst experience, dealflow, prestige, and exit opportunities (all lumped in together). I know there are some threads out there that I have read through but just want a simple list of 3 groups based on the most up-to-date happenings at the firm. This is EXCLUDING M&A, since I believe the group is full from returning summers already.

Thanks.

Comments (226)

Oct 24, 2010

M&A is not full with returning summers yet, they have a couple more spots.

Oct 24, 2010

M&A, Consumer, and Energy are all good groups... think about what your interests are and go with that over what you think will help you out most down the road. If you work hard and are at a great firm and impress your team, they will go to bat for you when it comes to exit opps...

Oct 24, 2010

How is their Healthcare group in Asia and the US?

Oct 24, 2010

M&A is not full btw.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 24, 2010

Everybody goes into Citi IBD as a generalist, correct?

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Oct 24, 2010
design:

Everybody goes into Citi IBD as a generalist, correct?

Yes, apart from those who had return SA offers to their groups.

I'm talking about liquid. Rich enough to have your own jet. Rich enough not to waste time. Fifty, a hundred million dollars, buddy. A player. Or nothing.

Oct 24, 2010

yep every1 goes into generalist except SA's.. great to hear there are some spots still available in M&A but its obviously going to be a long shot with every1 shooting for it... my real inquiry was about the best product/industry groups after accounting for M&A, all else being equal... any suggestions? have heard everything from consumer to industrials to energy to communications, etc. and wanted to know if you had to just pick 3 what would they be?

Oct 24, 2010

After the ubs lift it is going to be: Comm, Industrials, Energy.

Just do those 3 and you absolutely cannot go wrong.

Oct 24, 2010

not consumer/retail?

Oct 24, 2010

Not sure about this bank and the group. You should ask what deals they have done?

What is certain is that UBS had the top energy group along with Barcap and their entire team went to Citi recently. Citi Comm has always been top of the street and Citi Industrial has been strong too and competes with GS mostly (see: Southwest buyside advisor role in Airtran M&A).

FIG and Industrials are the biggest groups at Citi, but FIG pidgeonholes and usually isn't worth it unless it is Goldman Sachs FIG.

Oct 24, 2010

Yep - Citi is def bringing the big energy guns over from UBS, my impression was that they would be run down in Houston though rather than NY?

Oct 25, 2010
afalcon10:

Yep - Citi is def bringing the big energy guns over from UBS, my impression was that they would be run down in Houston though rather than NY?

From what I've heard this is correct; I believe their energy group will be based almost entirely out of Houston.

Oct 24, 2010

When did I say they were in NYC? Go with Industrials, Comm, and Consumer then for NYC.

Oct 24, 2010

Gotcha - thanks for the input, so the consensus seems to be some combination of communications, consumer, and industrials for NYC, any other groups to keep an eye on? thanks again every1

Oct 30, 2010

Citi M&A Global Industrial Group is very strong and well regarded

Oct 30, 2010

^Industrials is in Chicago.

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Oct 24, 2010

the NY office definitely has a fairly substantial industrials group as well, i think its the largest group in the office

Oct 30, 2010

same goes for london, global industrials group is pretty big here too

Jan 30, 2011

Any other London specific advice?

Jan 30, 2011

What is the case for Citi in HK? Thoughts very much appreciated!

May 16, 2011

How about Citi London for SA? Which group have the highest conversion rate or hiring needs?
For SA, big group vs. small one. Which is better?

Any advice?

Thanks!

Oct 24, 2010

Best NYC Citi groups:

M&A
Communications, Consumer, Energy, Industrials.
Everything else

Jun 28, 2011

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Jun 28, 2011

Citi M&A is still very good.

Jun 28, 2011

yeah, i'm aware of M&A but i'm more interested in coverage groups rather than product groups. anyone else?

Jun 28, 2011

Their NY TMT is really good. Their SF TMT (just Tech) is terrible.

Jun 28, 2011

Strongest groups at Citi are M&A, Consumer, Industrials, TMT, Sponsors from what I hear. Probably M&A / Consumer for exit opps.

Jun 28, 2011
goldman in da house:

Strongest groups at Citi are M&A, Consumer, Industrials, TMT, Sponsors from what I hear. Probably M&A / Consumer for exit opps.

why do you say consumer has better exit opps than sponsors or even TMT?

Jun 28, 2011

Do these comments hold true for the London office?

Jun 28, 2011

NYC or london?

Jun 28, 2011

Any more up-to-date info on industry groups? Insights especially on the Sponsors or Healthcare group is appreciated.

Jun 28, 2011

Anyone knowledgable on this matter?

"We're not lawyers, we're investment bankers. We just call you for the paperwork. We didn't go to Harvard, we went to Wharton, and we saw you coming a mile away." - Suits

Jun 28, 2011

Consumer retail at Citi isn't as solid as it was. I'd go industrials or sponsors. In either of those teams you're sure to get on enough m&a and refinancing mandates to talk about at interviews 10 - 12 months into the job. I would steer clear of Citi SF but Citi London isn't too bad (still strong next to barcap DB CS and UBS which says something). I think their London consumer team might be at MS Nordic m&a now btw, 2008 must've seen a mass exodus of sorts

Jun 28, 2011
capmthenwaccm:

Consumer retail at Citi isn't as solid as it was. I'd go industrials or sponsors. In either of those teams you're sure to get on enough m&a and refinancing mandates to talk about at interviews 10 - 12 months into the job. I would steer clear of Citi SF but Citi London isn't too bad (still strong next to barcap DB CS and UBS which says something). I think their London consumer team might be at MS Nordic m&a now btw, 2008 must've seen a mass exodus of sorts

What are your thought on Power/Energy? Do your comments on Industrials + Sponsors hold true for the London office?

Jun 28, 2011

Any thoughts on Citi's FIG group?

Jun 28, 2011

FIG is very strong. Arguably top franchise

Jun 28, 2011

Just FYI- The culture at Citi FIG is absolutely awful. Realize that the people/culture you surround yourself with can make or break your experience. But to be honest I think most FIG have bad cultures across the Street.

I know a recent Citi FIG analyst tell me more than half his FIG analysts quit before their 2 yrs were up - it was that bad - and analysts didn't get along with each other either.

Float like a butterfly, sting like the bee.

Jun 28, 2011

Any idea what makes the culture so awful? Hours, type of work, MDs, all of the above? Thanks

Jun 28, 2011

More hate on the FIG bankers...

Jun 28, 2011

As someone interested in FIG, I'd enjoy hearing about some of the benefits of FIG banking

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

Have heard really good things about the dealflow in Industrials and M&A. Consumer/Retail was on the Tim Horton's-Burger King deal last year, so I'd assume they aren't too shabby either dealflow wise.

As for PE placement (if that's your thing), M&A has placed the best, but go with the people you like. As for hours, Citi works pretty hard, in general.

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Jun 28, 2011

Have heard M&A, Industrials, and TMT are solid; TMT probably works the hardest out of all 3. Also heard Healthcare is up there with Industrials/TMT for coverage, any reason you aren't considering them? They were on Shire/Abbvie before it blew up, I think.

Source: friend is 2nd year analyst at Citi, feel free to PM for additional questions/specifics and I can ask him

Jun 28, 2011

M&A. M&T. Sponsors. Industrials. RE. Consumer

"Success means having the courage, the determination, and the will to become the person you believe you were meant to be"

Jun 28, 2011

m&a / industrials hands down. Consumer and TMT are small . healthcare had big q1 but placement and culture are poor.

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Jun 28, 2011

Exit opportunities to PE out of Citi NY are best from M & A, Industrials & Consumer.

Jun 28, 2011

Good luck. Culture across several groups in Citi is apparently atrocious. Huge fans of the fear-based model, in which analysts are forced to crank as seniors (assocs, VPs) are barking down their throats to get it done.

Jun 28, 2011

Hardlyworking- think you chose the wrong industry, pal.

Jun 28, 2011

considering i do not work at Citi, not sure how you came to that conclusion

Jun 28, 2011

How is Citi Chicago regarded?

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Jun 28, 2011

I've worked closely with the Citi real estate guys many times and have a buddy on the desk. They're at the top of most league tables and I've heard they outperform most groups within the bank in terms of revenue. They work long hours, even for IB standards, but exit ops are strong. Keep in mind that REITs are extremely capital intensive and, while Citi does get strong M&A mandates, a sizable portion of the group's deals are capital markets related. That said, Citi's REIT equity platform usually tops the charts and so does its REIT financing platform, which is somewhat of a hybrid between IBD coverage and CMBS / large loan.

PM if you'd like - I know the Citi real estate teams well.

Jun 28, 2011

I found this from a Citi job posting on my school's career site:
- Alternative Assets
- Consumer
- Diversified Industrials
- Financial Institutions
- Healthcare
- Power
- Real Estate
- Technology/Media/Telecom (TMT)
Also, within investment banking, Mergers & Acquisitions Group supports the efforts of our industry

Jun 28, 2011

Bump.

Jun 28, 2011

Bump again

Jun 28, 2011

I would definitely say M&A and AAG (alternative assets group or financial sponsors) have the best placement. AAG is a smaller group with an awesome culture. I'd also probably have to say that analysts in that group work half as any other group while still having the same exit ops.

After that, Industrials and Consumer are probably the best. Consumer is a much more bro-y culture while Industrials is a huge group that has a little bit of everything.

Are you going for a summer analyst spot?

Jun 28, 2011

Also feel free to DM me. I can give you more specific insight on groups you're interested in.

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

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Jun 28, 2011

any back office role.
product control

Jun 28, 2011

stay away from any back office role. i learned a long time ago that when you can make the company money, you make money.

Jun 28, 2011

The janitorial strategies group.

Jun 28, 2011

m&a is by far the best. let meknow if you are interested

Jun 28, 2011

kelystein,

I am interested in M&A at Citigroup. I will be a senior in college in the fall and am very interested in doing M&A and Citigroup is one of the banks I would like to interview with. Do you currently work there (or have you in the past)? If you could help me out with some questions, I would greatly appreciate it... and let me know if you would rather talk about it off the message board.

Thanks

Jun 28, 2011

both of them are really strong on the street....

Jun 28, 2011

I've heard Citi M&A is one of the best.

Jun 28, 2011

Look at league tables a little maybe? I prefer energy and industrials when it comes to industry groups, but I think ECM or a product group would be good as well. (ECM has shorter hours in general)

Jun 28, 2011

Groups you mentioned are some of the top groups, but at most bulge brackets you're going to have decent dealflow in most groups.

Oct 24, 2010

FinSpon is pretty good there, I hear. Avoid LevFin, though. The Sponsors group at Citi does all the heavy lifting.

Jun 28, 2011

You may hear good things about each, but you may not like them personally. Go with what interests you if you can. I'm not in a BB so I'm not sure how group selection works, but I do know that it helps a lot if you enjoy your industry.

Jun 28, 2011

Won't your group placement depend primarily on which groups have a need? (i.e. the one's where not every SA from the previous year was hired/came back.)

Jun 28, 2011

Agree withSECFinance Citi M&A are one of the best.

Jun 28, 2011

I know there is an automotive group, although I can't confirm if it's "the best" or not.

Jun 28, 2011

Industrials/Metals & Mining

Healthcare

Consumer

The dealflow is really mixed though. There aren't defined groups and they see a bit of everything.

Jun 28, 2011

Used to be M&A at Citi (as of late 2000s). Haven't heard a definitive update.

Jun 28, 2011

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Jun 28, 2011
peinvestor2012:

Used to be M&A at Citi (as of late 2000s). Haven't heard a definitive update.

Still is. Industrial isn't bad either.

Obviously from CS you have sponsors but also pretty strong tech as well.

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

there is a post on this from a couple days ago.

"Success means having the courage, the determination, and the will to become the person you believe you were meant to be"

Jun 28, 2011

m&a hands down - exit opps unrivaled at Citi

Jun 28, 2011

You obviously want to be at Citi NYC for starters. Best location for Citi.

Jun 28, 2011

M&A, FIG, TMT, and Industrials.

Jun 28, 2011

I second Bateman, with the possible addition of Comm.

Jun 28, 2011

anyone know about lev fin?

Jun 28, 2011

in regards to best groups, does anyone have additonal insight? I have heard they have good sponsors group ...true?

Jun 28, 2011

I would focus more on where the deal flow is and what you're personally interested in. You can find info for FIG at SNL Financial.

Jun 28, 2011

why not M&A?

Jun 28, 2011

Is there a reason you particularly like Healthcare?

Jun 28, 2011

The people in healthcare seemed to be people I could work well with. Also, I am more interested in industry coverage rather than product. I am open to other suggestions for top groups too, but I also wanted to know how healthcare ranked

Jun 28, 2011

Healthcare is 12th

Jun 28, 2011

I have heard that, at least at the analyst level, Citi is doing pretty well. I am not sure where they are on the league tables, I have heard the analysts are being kept busy on actual deals. HC seems like a good sector to be in going forward. Regardless of the reform's outcome, it is going to stir up a ton of activity for banks 2012-2014.

Jun 28, 2011

Hands down Citi Energy

Jun 28, 2011

Comms is the best industry group. Then probably HC. Comms is a sweatshop, HC isn't much better.

Jun 28, 2011

Citi in Chicago is focused on industrials. They hired a couple bigwigs from UBS about a year back, so dealflow shouldn't be an issue and it seems to be a strong office.

Jun 28, 2011
CHItizen:

Citi in Chicago is focused on industrials. They hired a couple bigwigs from UBS about a year back, so dealflow shouldn't be an issue and it seems to be a strong office.

Were those the UBS guys out of the Chicago office?

Jun 28, 2011

Industrials focus - know your auto/transportation/chemicals verticals.

Clients include Caterpillar and they were lead advisor on CAT's recent f**k-up in China (woops).

Jun 28, 2011

Thanks for the info guys. Had no idea about the CAT deal. Time to search for that.

Jun 28, 2011

few days late on this one buddy

Jun 28, 2011

Leggo do you have nothing better to do than to constantly post on WSO? You've posted 190 times since last week. Give it a rest.

Jun 28, 2011

Maybe my $300 worth of Citi stock will pay out?

Jun 28, 2011

aspiring king kong

Jun 28, 2011

IBchimp, I totally agree with you... This kid has just found out about this forum and has nothing better to do instead of constantly posting things he reads on the net here.
He gets some news on the net and post it here as his comments to sound a genius... like the "Investment Banking business model" post...
Leggo: if you are so good, why do you still don't have a internship offer?

Jun 28, 2011

ouch.

but I do have to agree with Leggo on this one--- by the time of this post, Morgan Stanley already pushed Citi out of the top spot

Jun 28, 2011

lui:

I guess I do post quite a lot on the forum... But what does that matter? Why start unnecessary shit in response to others' actions when it doesn't add any value to the forum?

  1. What on earth is the "Investment Banking business model" post?
  2. I've never claimed that I was "good". I do exactly what you say. I simply relate what I have gained from news, experience, friends, etc. and post it on the wall in response to people's questions. Isn't that what WSO is essentially for? (On the other hand, you could consider my posts spam for the simple fact that I post quite a bit. Nonetheless, my comments are relatively useful compared to your bullshit comments like the one above)
  3. No need to hate on those who are successful and received offers. I may not have gotten a BB IBD offer, but quite satisfied with the offer I have recently accepted for a BB CapMarkets gig.
Jun 28, 2011

I remember the Investment Banking Business Model post. That was very funny; although it wasn't Leggo's post.

http://www.wallstreetoasis.com/forums/investment-b...
It belongs to mergerarb15 who (at the time) seemed to be posting mindlessly all over the place; so I understand the confusion lui. If any of you haven't read the IB Business Model thread, I recommend it. It's good for a laugh for the first few responses, then the OP gets very annoying.

Jun 28, 2011

Kinda silly to look at a M&A ranking made before Monday. I think there was some pharma deal announced...(sarcasm intended)

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&si...

Jun 28, 2011

I don't know why this is even story. Citi's problem has never been its investment banking operations. They have a great business, just a crap balance sheet.

Jun 28, 2011

I second that Bowser

Jun 28, 2011

None Citi is dying.

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Jun 28, 2011
Charles-perry:

None Citi is dying.

Coming from a guy not even in the industry.

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Jun 28, 2011
Charles-perry:

None Citi is dying.

++++++++++++++++++++
Charles-perry
(Senior Baboon, 242 Points)
on 1/22/13 at 6:26am

Does anyone have any ideas of what I can do this summer?
I've landed 0 interviews after that 1 BB IBD interview even though I've been applying/networking for months now.
Really don't get whats going wrong for me/what I don't have that they want.

+++++++++++++++++++++

Please rank the banks in order of who ignored you most

If the glove don't fit, you must acquit!

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Jun 28, 2011

M&A is the best group at Citi. Industrials and Sponsors are supposed to be solid as well, from what I heard from an analyst there.

Edit: Not sure why I was downvoted...

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Jun 28, 2011

What city? And incidentally, how do you think exit opportunities generally play in terms of hours... What are you expecting, easy hours and good exit opps? And what exit opps are you after?

Jun 28, 2011

Sponsors team..

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Jun 28, 2011

Sorry for my comment above.

Citi is a good firm. Congrats on the offer.
Go to the team that you like best in terms of the people. From what I've understood the people matter more then the actual group you are covering. :)

Jun 28, 2011

Their Oil and Gas group is pretty strong. But, that is all in Houston.

Jun 28, 2011

In NYC: FSG and Industrials

Jun 28, 2011

Anyone familiar with their Chicago office?

Jun 28, 2011

I'm told Industrials, M&A, and FIG have the best deal flow. From a culture perspective, I'd go with M&A or Consumer.

Jun 28, 2011
newfirstyear:

I'm told Industrials, M&A, and FIG have the best deal flow. From a culture perspective, I'd go with M&A or Consumer.

Note: FIG at Citi is strictly silo'd. They segment it between Insurance, Banks, and Asset Managers/Payment Processors. So FIG deal flow is highly dependent on the individual group.

Jun 28, 2011

NYC may be different but in London industry teams do their own M&A. Unless you count the UK team a M&A I course

Jun 28, 2011

NYC M&A is good.

Jun 28, 2011

Financial Entrepreneurs (Sponsors) and M&A are their top two groups. Global comm used to be the next best but I think it has been consolidated into TMT

Jun 28, 2011

Looking for dealflow and international exit ops if that makes sense. Looking to spend 2 years in the US then go international.

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

Hi NYB,

Highly rated European Groups are FIG and Industrials.

Jun 28, 2011

thanks for the insight bach. i get the sense the industrials is quite strong at Citi nyc as well. is that true?

Jun 28, 2011

Well, I better know the European Groups, but yes I think so, and it's likely to get into from the US, because of a high rate of "exchange" analysts / associates.

Jun 28, 2011

US Groups:

M&A
Comms
Tech
Industrials
Consumer
FIG (Lost a lot of bankers recently to Citadel though)

Jun 28, 2011

excuse my ignorance, but what's Comms?

Jun 28, 2011

communications.

Jun 28, 2011

Comms and Healthcare are pretty strong groups with cool kids

Jun 28, 2011

In HK the stronger groups are TMT (consisently top 2 on the street), Industrials and FIG is certainly on the rise.

Jun 28, 2011
dunston17:

In HK the stronger groups are TMT (consisently top 2 on the street), Industrials and FIG is certainly on the rise.

Dunston, by saying stronger do you mean more deal flows? I heard GIG is also doing pretty good.

Jun 28, 2011

thanks for the input everyone, bump.

Jun 28, 2011

^^^

Yes - they have the most relative deal flow and are also larger in group size, which is a direct result of the number of mandates won.

GIG / Industrials are one and the same.

Jun 28, 2011

Can I get a bump on this? People have said Communications is a good group, is there a sense of how it ranks with other firms' communications groups?

Jun 28, 2011

also where exactly is communications? don't see it listed in the link

http://www.oncampus.citi.com/careers/north_america...

Jun 28, 2011

It falls within Technology, Media and Telecom

NYB:

also where exactly is communications? don't see it listed in the link

http://www.oncampus.citi.com/careers/north_america...

I'm making it up as I go along.

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

Ohh, ok i see.

Jun 28, 2011

How is Citi's consumer group?

Jun 28, 2011

From what I hear Consumer is tops on the street.

Jun 28, 2011

I thought BAML's consumer was the best. Any thoughts?

Jun 28, 2011

Top Consumer groups = GS/Citi/BAML.

Jun 28, 2011

Top Consumer groups = Centerview, GS, Laz, Citi, PWP, DB in that order. BAML has Kenneth Tuchman, who was a rockstar at Lehman and Wasserstein but the group as a whole is no where near the aforementioned shops.

Wasserstein Perella was by far the best when it existed so just track where the top bankers there went. Lehman used to be good too.. UBS was number 1 on the street when Blair was there but he is now at Centerview.

As far as Citi HK, its an absolute joke.. Industrial sucks. Their former Head, Shariar (sp?) left the firm literally 3 days after he cashed out his stock without saying goodbye to ANYONE on his team. FIG is a joke now that McNamara has left. He was a really nice guy that everyone liked but was pushed out due to internal politics. Their China team is going through struggles right now as the two co heads, Eugene Qian and Rodney Tsang, don't like each other. Basically a lot of internal power struggles across the board and their coverage is terrible. TMT is the only bright spot left.

Jun 28, 2011

Citi consumer lost a lot of big hitters. It's nowhere near what it was in 08 and 07

Jun 28, 2011

Does anyone know about their Financial Sponsors group? Which group has the best exit opportunities (PE/VC/HF)?

Thanks.

Jun 28, 2011

Interested in how their sponsors group stacks up against other bulge brackets. Would m&a have better exit ops?

Jun 28, 2011

bump

Jun 28, 2011

Citi does not have a financial sponsors group... its pronounced the fag group and the name speaks for itself...

Jan 30, 2011

How's Citi Industrials Group in HK? Compared to BAML's Industrials in HK? Thanks!

Jun 28, 2011

..healthcare and industrials

I'm making it up as I go along.

Oct 24, 2010

..M&A and industrials

May 16, 2011

Hi everyone,

I'm joining Citi IBD London as a SA. Quite interested in Healthcare and Industrials.

Are they good teams? Anyone know the people/culture, dealflow, hours and conversion rate in these 2 groups?

Any view would be appreciated.

Thanks!

Jun 28, 2011

Is Citi's IBD housed under the Institutional Client Group? What about the Corp Banking group? any difference?

Jun 28, 2011

Thanks for the pdf.

Jun 28, 2011
ekudekud:

Well it's just quarter 1. Also, Citi's always been pretty good. Just last year they slipped up a bit.

GS just sucked this year.

GS sucked??
Deals outside of the top 15 largest deals accounted for 75% of their deal value, and they're still #4. That to me is very impressive. T-mobile/AT&T deals come and go to every bank every year - I want to be in a place that does a shitload of deals with a shitload of clients - and that's why GS is consistently good. And that's why they also generate the highest fees per capita - because they're reaping lead advisor fees on a slightly lower total volume of a higher number of deals - instead of co-advisor fees shared with 6 other banks on a couple of huge deals. Citi did only 60 deals...that's a full 1/3 less than what Goldman did. Take out AIG and T-Mobile and they suck.

  • I don't work at GS
Jun 28, 2011

It'd be interesting to see them unseat JPM as the "#3 BB", but you can't but too much stock in 1 quarter. If you try hard enough, you can find a time frame that will put just about any bank first on the league tables.

Jun 28, 2011

Clear US bank domination.

In Europe obviously only banks involved in the AT&T/T-Mob. deal could rank well in the 1st quarter.

Jun 28, 2011

Fuck, Morgan's been killing it. Still, only one quarter so far.

Oct 24, 2010
  1. Morgan Stanley
  2. Citi
  3. Goldman Sachs
  4. JP Morgan
  5. Rothschild
  6. UBS
  7. Barclays Capital
  8. Evercore
  9. Deutsche Bank
  10. Credit Suisse

How did CS get OBLITERATED?1?!?!?

New rankings:

GS = MS > JPM = Citi

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