Best Conspiracy Theories

We have all heard at least one conspiracy theory in our lives. Some completely ridiculous ones with no backing and evidence. I'm talking about flat Earthers. They are dumb, period.

There are some theories that make us wonder and actually might have some backing. At the end of the day, we don't actually know what is real and what is not. A few interesting ones that spring to my mind are the "Rothschild Family controlling the governments". Don't quote me on this I just thought it was a pretty cool one I saw on Facebook one time. Also, "we have the cure for cancer but the scientists aren't sharing it because of money purposes"

What are the most interesting ones you have heard of?

 

No one is really living their real life besides you. They are just “acting” in a world designed to test you. You’re the only one that’s actually living and thinking life is normal. It’s almost like the Truman Show but the entire universe.

 

Not as profound as those above me, but the entire JFK Assassination really is crazy. The description of Lee Harvey Oswald was released before he was pulled over, so many of the witnesses died mysterious deaths before the trial, the entire Jack Ruby thing.

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If you’ve ever seen the movie JFK with Kevin Costner, you’ll know a lot about this. I highly recommend that movie for anyone interested in conspiracies. It was extremely good and gave me a lot of insight.

The movie even caused Congress to release assassination files.

 

I have two conspiracy theories/ideas that I have thought about. I think I came up with them, might have read them somewhere, but I also don't really believe them.

  1. Cancer isn't real-My thought is, during past history (medieval, Egyptian), they had remedies that seem very outlandish to us now. In 1,000 years, will history books talk about something such as cancer and medical science in the same way?

  2. Reverse illuminati- If there "was" an illuminati, I think it would be more toward a group of people having to run the world than wanting to run the world. Mainly to maintain order and also because more people probably couldn't comprehend things on a global scale.

 
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There are a couple of fun basketball ones out there:

  • Jordan didn't retire to go play baseball for two years. He was forced to by the NBA because his gambling had gotten so out of control. They needed him out of the league for a bit while they investigated if he had ever point shaved or bet on his own games. A lot of rumors went around that his dad's death was actually a mafia hit...

  • The NBA wanted Patrick Ewing on the Knicks so badly (big college star in a big market = $$$) that they rigged the draft. His lottery envelope was kept in the freezer (so it was cold to the touch and could be identified among all the others) and also had a dented corner (a backup identifier) to guarantee that he'd go to New York.

 

I'm a huge NBA fan and these two are basically for sure in my mind. The second one I'm especially sure on because of how long ago and less regulated it was then. The NBA was still coming into its own at that point and needed the big market cities/teams to be the focal point to drive the future of the league. Even with the Knicks being pretty trash as of the last decade, they are STILL the highest valued franchise in the league. Why would you not do all you could as the commissioner to make it so your most valued franchise isn't pure cheeks anymore?

 
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There are a couple of fun basketball ones out there:
  • Jordan didn't retire to go play baseball for two years. He was forced to by the NBA because his gambling had gotten so out of control. They needed him out of the league for a bit while they investigated if he had ever point shaved or bet on his own games. A lot of rumors went around that his dad's death was actually a mafia hit...

Having family ties to Chicago has proven this one regarding the force out. Like MJ just wanted to give the MLB a try, lol!

 
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Cosmopolitan and other women's magazines give women bad dating advice ("guys love it when you surprise them at work!") and bad sex advice ("nothing says romance like a handjob") to keep women single and buying their magazines.

 

Musk has a rather perplexing belief about base reality. Look at how much video games have advanced over the past 2-5-10-20 years. Or just your cell phones camera, razor -> iphone -> iphone 5 - iphone X with portrait mode and everything else... Now apply that logic to the simulations we run for various reason, it only makes sense that we will run the most advanced and complicated simulation possible to come up with the most accurate results possible. To believe that we are the first advanced society to do so... is likely naive, it is in fact more likely that we are just the remnants of a simulation being ran for a much more advanced society than our own.

Black Mirror (Netflix) sort of played the simulation aspect of this out in the episode Hang the DJ... throws me for a loop every time.

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I think it’s more of a question how far up Saudi society 9/11 went.

Also basically in the fact category is the IS funded and fought isis. At least threw our proxies we funded isis to fight Iran. Some the of the arab states were definitely funding isis and they were/our allies.

 

This is likely more true than anyone would like to admit. How do you think ML models are trained to do this kind of stuff?

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I remember reading about the Dyatlov episode in grade school before there was an internet and it unsettled me deeply.

My dad would buy these huge books called "The People's Almanac" every few years along with Time-Life books with all these worldwide facts as well as wild stories. The Dyatlov story still grips me, I remember the Discovery or History Channel doing a documentary on it a few years ago and I remember wishing my dad were still alive for us to discuss it.

 
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Obama is a Kenyan Muslim. I mean really. Value is election to the highest seat in the most powerful nation.

90%+ Republican voters still believe that one.

I don't. I always hated that thing, it made politics pointlessly dumb.

Anyway, jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

Never discuss with idiots, first they drag you at their level, then they beat you with experience.
 

Coca Cola intentionally launched a poor tasting New Coke to provide cover for changing the formula in the real Coke from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup. Going directly to HFCS would’ve been too obvious to consumers and they would’ve viewed it as a product downgrade; instead they viewed the return of Coke classic as an upgrade.

 

That was actually admitted by people who were involved in the new coke process. It's not really a conspiracy as much as a rarely known fact.

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I personally enjoyed the part when he opens the door to the room where the "young billionaires" are eating lunch and he says, "well, well, well" as he continues to hit the door latches unnecessarily and they look completely confused by the whole situation

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Eddie...you're killing me. I just watched the show this weekend and was going to post a thread about it. Damn, if only I wasn't so lazy, lol.

His shows are over the top and outlandish but they are entertaining. Personally I'm not a big conspiracy theorist but I find those who are to be very very amusing. That's not to say there isn't some truth to what they say, but the problem with conspiracy theories are they always involve humans...and humans can't keep their mouth shut, especially if they are one of just a few people that know something.

In this particular episode there is a good bit of truth to some of the things that are said, but the thought of the government working in conjunction with the private sector wholeheartedly is asinine. I think it's more of a coincidence that these folks know each other and are in bed together than it is some highly detailed and executed plan for world domination.

I also saw the episode on the Bilderberg Group and how they have all conspired to reduce the world's population through soft kill methods which include poisoning our drinking water (the poison, which they've collected from the smoke stakes of chemical plants...or something like that) and that they are planning on inducing a pandemic which will insight panic because of a "limited" supply of vaccinations, which will authorize our government to use this chemical to "cut" the drug (to make more doses) and which is said to increase its reception in our immune systems, but will actually cause our own immune systems to attack itself and then eventually kill us.

There was an episode from the first season that was somewhat interesting. It had to do with the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program at this lab in Alaska, which is jointly funded by the Air Force and Navy, among others. The locals claim all sorts noises and lights occur when they power up this field of antennas/generators and that the sky will change colors and other weird shit happens. Conspiracy theorist claim that the antennas can control the weather and cause famines and droughts. Seems crazy, but DARPA is also involved, the project receives a large amount of funding and I wouldn't put it past the government to try and concoct some sort of device that had similar capabilities...of course, not for world domination or to wipe out countries with famines, but for defense purposes, or even offensive purposes in a combat situation. It is also interesting that it is listed as an unclassified research facility, but that it's gated and secured by armed guardsd, etc. Anyhow, I could see plenty of commercial benefits to controlling weather patterns (longer, optimal crop growing conditions, eliminate hurricanes, etc.), but of course they believe the government is out to get us.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Frequency_Active_Auroral_Research_Pro…

There is also the often talked about Philadelphia Experiment and the Atlantic Undersea Test and Evaluation Center

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philadelphia_Experiment

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AUTEC

I'll be watching, lol.

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I heard that the FBI’s leadership under Obama was politically biased and investigated a Republican presidential candidate for the express purpose of feeding Hillary damning information to help get her elected.

 

Well, of course they are targeting the United States. Though, a missile like that is largely inconsequential as if we really want to strike we simply phone into a sub that packs enough firepower to wipe out china's major cities a few times over. I look at the creation of these types of weapons as a distraction from the real threats. It is far easier for china to simply hack us to pieces on the internet, or compromise the supplies they send us every day, poison our food chains etc etc. My point is still the same here, that I don't think anyone is foolish enough to try and go toe to toe with us in a conventional war. Nuclear? Sure, but then your basically saying lets end modern society and the world as we know it.

I 100% agree with you that we need to be aware of the posturing of China going forward (as i'm assuming that's what you are getting at). I think you are overstating the threat of a cruise missile. I don't think that would be the final piece that would make us go, "Oh shit. Time to call out the bombers" like say putting missiles in Cuba was back during the cold war. It's certainly an interesting development.

 

Agree with addinator, this is just posturing. Chinese culture is very introverted compared to ours and their defense posturing is largely just that: defensive. They really don't consider it worthwhile to conquer anyone, they just want the wealth. Anyone calling for any type of military confrontation or arms race with China is insane.

There is one possible area of problems: they've absorbed a lot of influences from us over the last generation, and that includes the active engagement with the external world. This could grow into a problem if China sees internal unrest and decides to project outward instead of resolving it. Again though, this is unlikely and they pretty much just want more regional influence.

But they really need to let go of Taiwan and get over it.

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trazer985:
So, as every chess player knows, when you see your opponent make a move, you ask yourself, why did he make that move, or in more analytically, what can he do now, that he couldn't do before. His resources (pieces and number of moves) are limited so he will aim for optimal output to maximise the chance of meeting this goal.

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I suggest reading The German Problem Reconsidered by David Calleo. I see many similarities between Germany in the 19th century as world's rising manufacturing power and modern day China. Both countries are very dependent on importing natural resources, yet neither one of them are responsible for patrolling the their own shipping lanes. In the 19th century Great Britain, which was one of Germany's biggest competitors had that responsibility. Today, the US has the responsibility of making sure the world's oceans stay secure. Do you really think China wants the US Navy patrolling shipping lanes in the Pacific and having the capability to blockade them and cripple their economy? Think about what the US would do, if we were still a manufacturing based economy, reliant upon imported natural resources, and China patrolled our shipping lanes.

Ultimately though, I think things are different this time around, because of nuclear weapons. Conventional weapons mean nothing when both sides have the capability to destroy civilization as we know it. Worst case scenario, we see another Cold War type scenario.China simply wants a deterrence factor, in the event that we decide to do a naval blockade.

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I'm not entirely sure I buy the doping conspiracy. She beat the world record by 1 second in a 270 second event. That's essentially .33% faster. That doesn't seem too ridiculous to me. Am I missing something here?

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CompBanker:
I'm not entirely sure I buy the doping conspiracy. She beat the world record by 1 second in a 270 second event. That's essentially .33% faster. That doesn't seem too ridiculous to me. Am I missing something here?

She's 16 and she's faster than the fastest male swimmer.

 
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I'm not entirely sure I buy the doping conspiracy. She beat the world record by 1 second in a 270 second event. That's essentially .33% faster. That doesn't seem too ridiculous to me. Am I missing something here?

The reason why coaches are suspicious is because she swam her last leg 100 free at around 1.1x of the WR 100 free from the blocks. This is even more impressive because you get an advantage from jumping off the blocks and she was obviously already in the water. Most swimmers swim roughly around 1.18-1.28x of THEIR best 100 free on the last leg of this race. So these multiples are not apples to apples and it only exaggerates the fact that the pacing of the last leg is incredible. Had she spread the extra effort she put into the last 100 meters evenly over the race she should be able to drop 2-4 more seconds off the race. The pacing is very unusual, because sports science suggests that while it was a best time for her and a WR, it wasn't even close to her potential best time. This type of pacing might be plausible if she was a 100free sprinter, but as far as I know, she's not even on the sprint relays. Maybe she should be utilized as a sprinter as well judging from this swim.

In her defense, one way I can justify this is that she just had a really good taper and was well rested. Being a swimmer for about a decade, I know firsthand that often a swimmer has no idea how fast they can really go after a good taper. So she paced the race normally like she usually would, and then realized she had way more in the tank left over than she thought and the excitement of the race pushed her to go crazy on the last leg. Given that she's 16, it's reasonable she had no idea she was that fast because improvement often comes in big spurts. If that's the case, that swim was just a preview. Once she gets her pacing down correctly she's going to take over the 400 IM and maybe others. Doping or not, I'm pretty sure the pacing was an accident. She's 16 and should be around for a while so I think people should stop pointing the finger and just give it a few years and see how she develops.

As to the whole conspiracy theory- anything that raises red blood cell counts too high would be detected. Their diet is probably really effective at buffering lactic acid judging from the success the team is having with the shorter long- distance (400) swims. Maybe some kind of super beta alanine deal? I don't even think that would be considered doping, though. I just don't have any idea what they could be taking that would be considered doping but yet be undetectable and still be effective. Without having any idea what they could be taking, I wouldn't be so quick to assume that whatever they're consuming is against the rules. I trust that if there is something new out there they could be taking, they probably are though... but that doesn't mean it's against the rules.

 
CompBanker:
I'm not entirely sure I buy the doping conspiracy. She beat the world record by 1 second in a 270 second event. That's essentially .33% faster. That doesn't seem too ridiculous to me. Am I missing something here?

To be fair - yes you are. Take into account where she was at the start of the freestyle and her split, and you're looking at a pretty ridiculous time after 300m of all out. Stephanie Rice's WR would have been absolutely destroying her at the 300m mark. I know people don't want to think about it and someone on here is tossing MS at every comment that's agreeing with the doping conspiracy, but anyone who swam at a high level will tell you 28 mid at the back of a 400 IM is straight stupid. If you've ever swam a 400 IM you know it's the hardest event in swimming, and having personally swam it and the 2 quite often, I can't even count on both hands the number of times I've finished the race and thrown up immediately afterwards. This chick matched Ryan Lochte's split for the last 100 - that's just physiologically wrong. It's borderline hysterical, and when I saw it I immediately asked if anyone had heard of this chick before, then what country she was from, then said 'oh, well that makes a lot more sense now.' Doping, without question.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 

She's already been tested and it was negative, aka no she was not doping.

Haters gonna hate. If the girl was not Chinese, no one would even question her. But since she is, all these ridic conspiracies come up. Her results are essentially results of years of military style training.

Maybe I should start questioning Phelps. I doubt he would have gotten 8 medals without doping.

 
Beretta:
She's already been tested and it was negative, aka no she was not doping.

Haters gonna hate. If the girl was not Chinese, no one would even question her. But since she is, all these ridic conspiracies come up. Her results are essentially results of years of military style training.

Maybe I should start questioning Phelps. I doubt he would have gotten 8 medals without doping.

She was tested, as all athletes that place, but the results don't come in till like a month later. If she didn't then damn that girls has a great sporting career ahead of her. What China does with their athletes sure is in a grey area but many would argue it's better for the athletes because they don't have to worry about making a living and just focus on their sport.

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Beretta:
She's already been tested and it was negative, aka no she was not doping.

That only proves that she did not consume the particular substances that are tested by the IOC. The Chinese are known to provide traditional Chinese herbal substances to their athletes. Such substances tend not to show up during testings even thou they artificially boost athletic performances. But then other countries are doing the same. There is an ongoing arm race between the IOC substance testing committee and individual countries as the latter continue working on new and more innovative drug formulas that fly under the IOC radar.

To quote the Art of War, "there is never too much deception in war". Much like wars, the competitions of the Olympics happen on 2 fronts, one of actual foot soldiers battling it out in the field or swimming pools, and then there is the less visible front where strategists experiment in the labs/command centers.

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Beretta:
She's already been tested and it was negative, aka no she was not doping.

Haters gonna hate. If the girl was not Chinese, no one would even question her. But since she is, all these ridic conspiracies come up. Her results are essentially results of years of military style training.

Maybe I should start questioning Phelps. I doubt he would have gotten 8 medals without doping.

Go back to making contaminated toys and reading your little red book....She was obviously doping, something that hasn't been picked up yet.

Pathetic....

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it is well known that teams sabotage each other by putting doping traces into opponents' food. it is just as well that they control all of the food to prevent such shenanigans. if they do come up positive, everyone can be damned sure it wasn't an outside sabotage job.

but if we are going to point the smelly finger at china, let's not forget jose canseco, mark mcgwire, lance armstrong, floyd landis, marion jones, etc.

 

Americans always try to find ways to come up with excuses. If our founding father were here, he would already have given her a US citizenship.

In the end, haters are gonna hate. USA is just pissed off that China is actually a major competitor.

 

I'm Chinese so I'll have a word.

Most atheletes are all doping. They may remain unanimous all their career if they don't win a title. Therefore, the incentives are HUGE. What's more, the Chinese gov cares so much about winning that they would go beyond what is legal and ethical.

Was she doping? Probably. But you cannot deny she was phenomenal!

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-She did not swim faster than the fastest male (Ryan Lochte). Her last 100m, the freestyle section, was faster than Ryan Lochte by a few tenths of a second. He swam 4:05, she swam 4:28. Their 100m freestyle section was 58 seconds. That being said, she beat her own personal best by 5 seconds and the world record by a second. At that level, a 5 second improvement is huge, absolutely leaps and bounds. -The Chinese have 3x as many doping test fails (40) in swimming over the last 20 years as the next highest country. -Every time something like this has happened in swimming, drugs have been involved.

-http://www.sportsscientists.com/

 

If you know anything about Ryan Lochte's style you'll know that he almost always goes out hard in the beginning. In the 400IM he was 1 sec ahead of the world record through 300m but slowed significantly during the last 100m and ended up being 2 secs slower than the world record. He even admitted to going out too fast in the 200m freestyle final.

"I guess I did take it out a little too fast,” Lochte said. “I am a back half swimmer. I knew if I wanted to be in the race, I’d have to go out strong. I guess I’ll live and learn and hopefully I won’t let that same kind of mistake happen."

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Basically, when Phelps gets a world record at 17 or when Sarah Sjostrom of Sweden breaks the world record at 15 it's no big deal, but when a 16 year old Chinese girl that has been a rising star these past few years gets a new record, it's considered "cheating"?

She already passed multiple drug tests and you guys are still cynical? Do you believe everything is just a lie? By your line of reasoning, you would say that every successful trader or hedge fund manager must have abused insider information to make such high returns

 
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Basically, when Phelps gets a world record at 17 or when Sarah Sjostrom of Sweden breaks the world record at 15 it's no big deal, but when a 16 year old Chinese girl that has been a rising star these past few years gets a new record, it's considered "cheating"?

She already passed multiple drug tests and you guys are still cynical? Do you believe everything is just a lie? By your line of reasoning, you would say that every successful trader or hedge fund manager must have abused insider information to make such high returns

You're missing the point. The cynicism has to do with the fact that in the last leg of the race a 16-year-old, muscle-less Chinese girl swam faster than the top male swimmer in the entire world. It's nothing short of miraculous on its own.

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Definitely cheated.

Like mentioned earlier, these athletes get tossed away like trash when they get injured / lose. if Michael Phelps were chinese, he'd literally be on the streets homeless right now.

 

Wow, I'm getting so much monkey shit from the Chinese. I'm not being racist (I'm not even American). I'm just being logical here. As Gray Fox has stated, it is hard to believe that she improved her time in such a short time. I don't believe she is the only one. Tons of athlete in the Olympics probably take some illegal substance.

 

I guess "innocent until proven guilty" doesn't apply when you're Chinese. In Ye's case, it's only "guilty until proven innocent."

Get a life. Some of you are essentially saying Ye is doping because China has a history of athletes taking those enhancement dugs - you are judging an athlete based on her country's history. Guess what? If I applied the same logic over here to American athletes, no American would be clean since the good ol' USA is full of drug-taking Hulks.

 

Not to be a party pooper but can we please stick with the facts here? There's really no reason to post something like "Oh she def cheated. no way is that real." Fucking useless posts clogging up space educated answers can fill.

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The swimmer's previous personal best was from when she was 14 years old. That means there is a 2-year difference between the 2 times. A swimmer grows a lot in 2 years, especially when the person in question is growing from a 14-year old to a 16-year old. For those who recall high school and the thing called puberty, teenagers tend to grow a lot between those years.

For comparison, Phelps dropped 4 seconds off his 200 butterfly time between age of 14 and 15.

 

There were incidents in the past that led me to believe that every single person at olympia is using performance-enhancing drugs. Even in the most absurd disciplines everyone is stuffed with drugs.

It's really amusing how some people are so naive as to believe that the Chinese girl is the only one using drugs. A whole industry spans around developing drugs that are non-traceable or by now maybe even genetic doping is established. One big underground lab from the US national team was detected several years ago. I can remember how I read a newspaper article about it and now it is really difficult to just find something about via google. Imagine how many people want their national teams and athletes to win, as this is a sign of strength for their country.

 

Just discredit the Chinese government. At every opportunity, try to paint them as shady and behind-the-scenes. Just like how we paint ourselves as open, honest and transparent.

Their theories will come up by themselves.

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EDIT: The only argument I see is that "Ye is doping because the Chinese dope".

"Did she fail a doping test?" "No." "Then how is she doping?" "Sum next level shitz d00d"

Let's say there's no Chinese bias: If everyone found doping is doping, and everyone not found doping is doping....is nobody yet everybody doping all in unison?

Innocent until proven guilty. Sounds like some people just get salty.

 

Watching brainwashed Chinese nationals blow up an internet message board is always entertaining.

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Watching brainwashed Chinese nationals blow up an internet message board is always entertaining.

This. You should have seen the conference. From a govt. that censors freedom of speech, I'm not going to believe any of the things that come out of this country.

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I didn't read all the comments so excuse me if someone'd already mentioned what I'm about to suggest.

I think doping test itself could very well have its limitations.

What I mean is, if somebody successfully creates a new breed of performance enhancement drugs that the test cannot pick up, then that's done deal isn't it?

Twist the concept a little bit. The whole testing process is a battle between two team of medical experts trying to 'catch' and 'escape'.

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melvvvar:
if lance could get away with it for 12+ years, i don't think anything is impossible.

but innocent until proven otherwise doesn't hold when we are hating on Eastasia/Emmanuel Goldstein/Whatever.

You mention Lance Armstrong as doping for 12+ years then say innocent until proven guilty (which he hasn't been...yet). Seems odd.
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oh boy. the quadrennial showcase of america thinking the world revolves them yet again

  1. the preparation: this is the only area imo that can be argued, and even then it's a stretch. yi (as with sun, to be discussed later) trains in australia, not in china, under grant hackett's former coach. after training, she returns to china - you can argue without basis that china at this point builds its "doping" on that. china itself has, fairly, the infamous doping/shady history attached to it too. but to come out and instantly blame an athlete with unfounded claims that a personal best is 100% tainted is beyond reason. all winners get tested immediately. they get stabbed with all sorts of needles...WADA has cleared her. even truthful bullshit accidental ingestion of sleeping pills are noted.

  2. the age: USA's katie hoff broke the 4im wr @18. stephanie rice, the last 4im wr, dropped 5s herself on her way to breaking it at barely 20. USA's missy franklin @17 already has her own phelps label attached to her, like hoff's. phelps himself was dropping chunks of seconds left and right. just a few days ago, meilutyte @15 wins gold in the 100m br.

- 300m in the US produces the swimmers we see now. 1b in China should produce 0? please. - age is but a number...this list goes on and on down to the local swimming level. those who swam at that age know how easy it is and how miraculous it feels.

  1. the time: faster than lochte? he himself said he took out the race too fast. with his lead, he slowed down at the end. we've seen his mortality (4x100, 200fr) isn't on the same level as phelps either. stupid argument here. as mentioned also, ye was 23s slower.

  2. the race: never was wire to wire, beisel couldn't break away enough in Her stroke, the br. ye swam a smart race, played to her strengths.

  3. the stroke: funny how the same Americans who rail about the Chinese being robots and manual drones fail to see what it takes to be a good freestyler. Free is the most mechanical of the four strokes - discipline drops your times by leaps and bounds the longer the distance. No racism intended, but the Chinese are great at that ability. any swimmer knows once your start your lap, the only things holding you back are the random unfocused thoughts popping in your head. Fellow compatriot Sun Yang swam his last split in the 1500 faster than any of the 200, 400, AND 800 WR's last split in history when he broke the 1500 wr in 2011 as well.

ps: the first guy who replied "I've been a competitive swimmer for 15 years of my life. There is no way someone can accelerate after 300M of a race the way that Ye Shiwen did without their heart exploding." obviously never pushed himself hard enough in practice, pulled lane lines, hid in the showers, and struggled to break 50s if at all on His 100y fr

as a former swimmer, i watch every Games with only one feeling: respect for those who continue to do things I cannot. too bad that's never the point anymore in today's entitled society.

 

Havn't read all the comments so far so someone might have commented on this but I've gotta say, one thing I really dislike about a few(emphasis to show that it is not the majority) Americans is the common assumption that if they lose, someone else must be cheating.

That guy who came out and said-but-didnt-say she must have been cheating, I assume he also accused Phelps of cheating after he won 8 golds? Did he accuse the British rowers who smashed the world record by 5 seconds of cheating? I dont think so. She was tested before and after and came up negative. Until there is proof that she cheated, she is absolutely kochure and smashed the record and swam faster than Lochte, end of story.

The fact that she improved her personal best (this implies her best reported time at a meet) does not mean anything. She is 16 and leaps in performance by seconds are not unusual at that age.

The fact that she is really young and shows such incredible performance also does not mean anything in swimming. German swimmer Franziska van Almsick in 1992 in Barcelona won an olympic silver medal at age 14 (!!!). You cannot seriously tell me that people are doping their 14 year old kids...

I absolutely agree that Ye's performance is incredible and impressive and I also agree that Chinese athletics and training methods are at the very least intransparent or even doubtful.

BUT give the girl a break, let her enjoy her success. I hardly think anyone that has not been a high-performance athlete can imagine the work, discipline and pain you go through to get where she is. And furthermore, if the theory of systematic doping in China through athletes diet were true than the girl would have done nothing wrong either way.

 

This argument has turned into China vs. America. fact is guys you both cheat (caveat - even the brits cheat so we're no angels).

I think a comparable athlete that hasnt been brought up here, in terms of story so far is Marion Jones. She destroyed her events in the Olympics of 2000 (watch the video of her 100m final, winning by a crazy distance). Was heralded as the golden girl, passed the drugs tests, and 7 years afterwards, admitted to doping.

I couldnt really care less who wins what, but if you expect me to believe this sudden improvement of China's medals are because of Mao Zedong's vision of sporting prowess, you've got another thing coming. Year City Gold Silver Bronze Total 1952 Helsinki 0 0 0 0 - 1984 Los Angel 15 8 9 32 1988 Seoul 5 11 12 28
1992 Barcelona 16 22 16 54
1996 Atlanta 16 22 12 50
2000 Sydney 28 16 14 58
2004 Athens 32 17 14 63
2008 Beijing (host)51 21 28 100 Total 163 117 105 385

I'm sure there's a reason for this,

and for exhibit B: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19074013 Half involved were Chinese. I'm not saying they're the only ones, but whenever this pops up, it's purely coincidence that they're involved. And everything that happens in China is a result of the people's pride for their country, and the government opt for a small government ruling style, that lets people live their own lives and be the best they can be.

 

Quote from Bob Bowman, Phelp's Coach to put things into perspective:

"One of the interesting things about swimming is people don't swim the same way," said Bob Bowman, Phelps' coach. "They have to swim the way their body is made, so that's what she's doing. She's taking advantage of her size."

"I don't think that 4:28 is an impossible time in the 400 IM, I think it's a perfectly logical time for someone to go," he said of her world-record swim. "The girl has good technique. She had an amazing last 100 but people do amazing things sometimes."

"I trust the testing service and I know that Michael was tested nonstop and we're very careful about what goes into his body, and I assume that other competitors are, too," Bowman added."

Source:http://espn.go.com/olympics/summer/2012/swimming/story/_/id/8217440/201…

 
Abdel:
CNN: 8 badminton players expelled from Olympics

''The female players from China, South Korea and Indonesia were disqualified for trying to lose matches the day before, the Badminton World Federation announced.''

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/08/01/8-badminton-players-thrown-out-of-…

WHY ALL THE CHEATING CHINA, WHY?

Ya, let's just ignore the fact the 6/8 of the players are not Chinese. But hey, 2 of them are from China? Let's just focus on China.

 

Sore losers just can't take the fact that a Chinese female broke the record. Boo hoo. I don't recall the Chinese media accusing Phelps of cheating.

And it's really funny when people say stuff like "Oh ya Chinese athletes cheated before, so therefore Ye must have been doping." Do I really need to give you a list of Americans who got caught doping? I'll start with Marion Jones, A Rod and Lance Armstrong. Perhaps we need to questions every American gold medalist since Americans were caught cheating at one point in history.

And as some people mentioned before - plenty of athletes of broken records at a young age, yet no one questioned them. Double standard at its finest. Ye was tested negative and until she tests positive, she is a legitimate world record breaker.

 
Virginia Tech 4ever:
I love how all the Chinese nationals are in here defending this swimmer as "innocent until proven guilty" when their own government doesn't abide by this principle prior to executing people.

you make a good point about the chinese justice system, but that has nothing to do with the case at hand.

you might as well say that michael phelps losing to yannick agnel was god's punishment for Jim Crow.

 

I've been swimming for most of my life, and even though it is incredible, it def is possible. Phelps beat the WR when he was around 16, and he also beat it by over 1 second. The only reason people are so concerned about it is because she's chinese and because she beat an American.

 

Olympic games are a disgrace. Half sports are subjective with medals backdated (think figure skating). Then we have a joke like curling or a question mark like why norwegians still are not in paralympics since they all have asthma. Ancient Greeks must be turning in their graves.

on topic: never underestimate commies. Everything about China is fraudulent except maybe its population.

 

It's very uncharacteristic of me not to read the whole thread, but it seemed to be repeating the same stuff, so I just skipped ahead to my response...please forgive me if any of this was pointed out (I know some of it was).

There are a few key points that need to be made regarding Ye's win and her swimming ability. While I'm sure some people will be quick to yell 'doping' because their respective countries lost, I do think the performance calls things into question.

First and foremost, she beat her previous best time by 5 seconds...which is huge. For those using the straw-man argument about Phelps breaking world records and no one calling him out, most analysts can demonstrate a steady progression in Phelps' career, how he got better over time, not just randomly one night. Furthermore, and I'm not an expert here but the announcers continually pointed this out, Ye's form is horrific, for the most part. For someone that has been trained 'military style' at a Chinese government sanctioned aquatics center, she doesn't display many of the attributes often seen in professionally trained swimmers. He swim technique isn't great, her turns into the wall are practically laughable and her turns coming off the wall are horrendous (basically gets a few feet before surfacing and starting her stroke again). The problem I see is, those points of technique often hold a swimmer back from being 'perfect'. If she was struggling with those things and putting up decent times and then came to the Olympics and busted her personal best by 5 seconds but ran a flawless race, I think the doping accusations would be far fewer, though probably NOT non-existent. Furthermore, the first 3/4, maybe even 7/8, wasn't particularly spectacular, mostly just that last 50m. If she swam well in all parts of the race I think people would be much less likely to question how she was able to do so much better than her personal best.

I tend to abide by the guideline "innocent until proven guilty" but sometimes that falls by the wayside...especially when we are talking about the Olympics, where the IOC willing always have to play catch-up, hence the saving of blood samples for 8 years).

What she's accomplished is pretty amazing and it's unfortunate that she isn't getting the credit she deserves but we do have to remember that her own country has put her in a position to have her performance questioned. As another poster pointed out, China's swimming program has had repeated issues with the doping of their athletes so it's natural for people to speculate about such a drastic improvement.

Lastly, and maybe even most importantly, why isn't this girl, who churns out record worthy times in the last segment of the 400m IM, swimming in actual freestyle events? Her performance with most of the strokes in the 400m IM aren't great, but she blazed the whole field with her freestyle segment times and she isn't competing in any pure freestyle events? I don't know what that actually means, but something seems odd about that.

Regards

"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
 

Email getting passed around the office linking to a few sites showing this phenomenon... I had never heard of the "50 Cent Party" until now, but it's hilarious and very real hahaha.

I hate victims who respect their executioners
 

The Federal Reserve is a non-government entity owned by shareholders. The shareholders are the largest banks. The largest banks are publicly owned - the majority of these shares are owned by groups like BlackRock and Fidelity. The controlling shareholders of these groups are immensely powerful Swiss domiciled merchant banks. These groups are primarily owned and controlled by the world's most powerful families - Rothschild, Warburg, Morgan, Goldman-Sachs, etc... These families manipulate central bank policy to manipulate market cycles and time acquisitions/dispositions.

http://www.save-a-patriot.org/files/view/whofed.html

 

The notion that America is some stupid world power (i.e. the Iraq war was a mistake, intervening in Libya was a mistake, and yet we continue to make the same mistake, to intervene without any plan to stabilize after, over and over again irrespective of which party is in power). Criticizing the government is permitted insofar as you presuppose its benevolence - once you stop taking that for granted, you're a conspiracy theorist. honestly? I think it's naive to believe that idiots just accidentally acquired and maintained immense power and wealth. We are exposed to so much soft propaganda and don't even recognize it.

How many of you are aware of what's happening in Yemen right now? There has been a pathetic lack of interest from the media until recently, and even so, many people don’t understand that they are complicit in the world's worst humanitarian crisis. The war on terror and war on drugs are not about fighting terrorism or drugs - what used to be conspiracy theories re: war on drugs are more or less mainstream now.. that is not the case for the war on terror, and I don't think it will be for another few decades. it's pretty obvious that fighting actual terrorism is not a priority for western countries. In syria they were funding "moderate" rebels who were fighting alongside ISIS/al nusra i.e. jihadists to oust government. you can read Clinton's emails on Wikileaks and how syria had virtually nothing to do with democracy/human rights and lots to do with long term strategy. In Yemen, US is backing a coalition led by Saudi Arabia, and that coalition has ties to AQAP (Al qaeda).

I think it's a front for a new kind of imperialism, a new kind of way to wage war, one that never quite ends. From that perspective, American foreign policy is very brilliant and very cruel: going into countries in the Middle East, destabilizing them, making it easy to exploit natural resources, installing puppet government, lots of privatization etc. Liberals say 'war doesn't make economic sense' and if you’re thinking of America as one nation rather than in terms of class, yeah, no shit, it doesn’t. the concept of negative externalities is relevant: costs carried by a group that did not choose to incur them. The costs associated with military intervention are absorbed by society while the benefits are privatized among the very wealthy - those are the ones who ultimately call the shots w.r.t. foreign policy, war, military spending.

could go on but just going to leave it at this: bipartisan support hasn't really been an issue when it comes to the most destructive foreign policy (/general warmongering). ight peace

 
watermelonsugar:
I think it's naive to believe that idiots just accidentally acquired and maintained immense power and wealth. We are exposed to so much soft propaganda and don't even recognize it.

You wrote a lot of insightful things, and I don't want to cherry pick. I will say, "idiots just accidentally acquired and maintained immense power and wealth" is the narrative that keeps people tuned in. Most don't want to hear, "this person made it because they worked harder and are smarter than you."

 

Yeah, I've seen that. Very eye-opening but you can't help but think it's all a marketing technique to get themselves publicity..

I didn't say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you.
 

I truly agree that the whole edifice of compulsory education and higher learning is a self-perpetuating mechanism by the minority to suppress to majority's ability to think freely, take risks, utilize creativity and strive for individualism. Academic institutions are a joke. Today's students are so brainwashed into believing to do as they are told. I've read plenty of the writings of John Taylor Gatto who wrote " Dumbing us Down: The hidden curriculum of compulsory education". I'm now stuck in the position of trying to restore my thought process and methods of problem solving and thinking on my feet that have been suppressed and washed away after so many years of exposure to mediocrity and intellectual oppression.

It's also interesting on how lawyers and bankers fit into this . As the one guy said," Law isn't about helping people or benefitting the community. It's just a system to interpret complex statutes that serve no purpose."There is a law for everything that should be legal, yet we have restrictions and limitations. It's so hard to believe that we are a free society in this day and age. I would argue that slaves of the colonial era were more free than they are today. They were able to see the shackles of their own oppression and know exactly where they stood in relation to the world. Today, our freedoms and liberties are so masked by the media, consumerism and materialism that we cannot bear witness to the travesty that is proliferating around and inside of us. Too many people are guided by what we are expected and told to think, than by our actual own judgment. I, at times, revert to that prole-like state ocassionally

 
Revolution:
It's so hard to believe that we are a free society in this day and age. I would argue that slaves of the colonial era were more free than they are today. They were able to see the shackles of their own oppression and know exactly where they stood in relation to the world. Today, our freedoms and liberties are so masked by the media, consumerism and materialism that we cannot bear witness to the travesty that is proliferating around and inside of us.

that is an offensive and borderline retarded statement.

People saying that the US/UK isnt a free society is completely delusional. You can wake up one morning and start a business, you can study anything/anywhere and follow any career path that you desire. You can think of something you want and provided you have the funds can get it within a week. You can read anything you want, and write anything you want as well. You can marry or bang anyone you want provided they consent. The key thing is your opportunities in this country are only limited by your desire and will. The law is necessary for people to make sure that people cannot harm other people, which includes taking away their freedom. This argument of materialism/consumerism/media taking away freedom is absolute bullshit, those are simply consequences of people having the freedom to filter out information for themselves, and many might not be good at that. And in all honesty, who cares if people buy stupid shit? They have the freedom to do with their money as they please, and to listen to whicever media sources they want.

So dont even dare saying that slaves were more free than people in todays society, because frankly that sort of statement is disgusting and disrespectful to the millions of people who were forced into a life and not given any opportunity just because of the color of their skin, because some other person deemed them to be less intelligent and animals.

People need to stop complaining so much, life is good.

 

Makes a couple of decent points but uses the patented Micheal Mooreesque method of far exaggerated, out of context information and misleading statistics. Also and the weird guy being interviewed is bit of a greasy homo and reminds me of a used car salesman.I dislike weirdo douche bags spewing mostly made up"economic analysis" interspersed with bizarre conspiracy theories.

I have to return some video tapes.
 

^for reals

This documentary looks at it so black and white... k, so going to Arizona State's law school isn't worth it. Surprise! They act like every degree is the same and therefore worthless... like somebody said, it's Moore-esque (not a good thing). fucking ridiculous.

If your dreams don't scare you, then they are not big enough. "There are two types of people in this world: People who say they pee in the shower, and dirty fucking liars."-Louis C.K.
 

^ Thank you for bringing up that point. Many students go to colleges where their degrees hold no prestige at all. Not to mention many of these same students choose degrees which are ultimately useless in securing a job, stuff like philosophy. Not to bash on degrees such as that but that's something that could be learned without a college education.

Also, note how they only interview alumni and faculty from obscure schools. I don't see any Ivy's or other top notch educational institutions defending themselves.

Very biased film.

I do agree with the government subsidies point however. Basic economics tells you that subsidies for something already in high demand cause prices to increase.

 
Freshcut:
This was such a [downright] terrible video that I'm not even going to sit here and [waste] my life telling you all of the holes in [their] [anti-college] arguments.

Wait... please tell me you butchered that as a joke....

 

Haha yea i am going to a top 15 finance school (still non target) and its a decent price. But like you all said above this is showing kids from "x" community college and random schools.

They need some top state schools to show that it can be affordable and a good education. Or tell kids to work harder to get a scholarship.

I want a lady on the street, but a freak in the bed, Go Bucks!!
 
Ambition:
Haha yea i am going to a top 15 finance school (still non target) and its a decent price. But like you all said above this is showing kids from "x" community college and random schools.

They need some top state schools to show that it can be affordable and a good education. Or tell kids to work harder to get a scholarship.

Yeah, maybe telling people how to get more out of the system would be better than making the case to destroy the system.
Get busy living
 

I'll check out this vid later. Thanks for posting OP (SB for you). For whatever it's worth, I've been having a lot of regret lately about attending college. In fact, I'm inclined to say that it's useful more so from a social perspective than a financial perspective. I'm starting to wonder if I should of skipped college, or tried to obtain a full-ride at a really shitty school.

 

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