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I am so ready to finish up this internship and head back to school... get wasted 5 nights a week, get laid and sleep till noon. Who's with me?
Oh yeah, and pull a 4.0 and land that BB internship for next summer.
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except for the sleeping till noon thing, i know guys who do the first two plenty.
one of my brokers is basically permanently hungover.
I'm glad there's hope for the future. Jimbo, on another note. Do you enjoy your job in s&t?
most of the time, yeah. pays pretty well, like the ppl. the stress is high and i wish i had a few more weeks vacation, but overall it's definitely got its perks.
im with the op. but yeah, if you know how to schedule...ive been able to sleep in til noon most semesters. this past spring was brutal tho, 930s! Yikes!
...I cant wait for fall rush parties :D
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gayness
The key is moderation. I know traders who keep mini bottles of gran marnier/jack d/grey goose etc. in their drawers. Just enough to take the edge off...
That of course, comes with tenure, but there are still vestiges of undergrad behavior even when you enter the working world...
I am so with you I cant wait to go back to school. It really makes you appreciate how good it really is. It is like a friggin paradise compared to work. Its good not to take it for granted.
sorry cockmen, i apologize if you do not appreciate my idea of fun.
however, i will continue to enjoy 'entertaining' the hundreds of frosh coeds who grace our parties every night
that is all
You're so cool, shout it out, declare it, talk to your friends about it........talk about all the girls you're going to bang. rah rah rah.
Boring.
And the names' """cackmenimble"""
Don't make me put you in your place again!
^^^is this guy serious?
MM, according to your profile your female. I am surprised at your open horniness in a forum full of mostly guys.
cackmenimble, I don't know why you are hating on fall rush parties. If you are making fun of it because rush parties aren't as good as regular functions/parties I guess that's acceptable. But if you are making fun of someone who is in a fraternity, I hope you are aware that 85% of corporate America is part of a greek organization (for the record though, greek life in the north and northeast doesn't really count, along with anyone who is a SigEp, IMO).
The greatness of Greek life is one of the reasons I chose my SEC school. During my time in Chicago this summer I have called up numerous alums of my fraternity who treated me to very nice meals and introduced me to other contacts of their's in the business world. Also, I look forward to tailgating in the front lawn of my fraternity house right until kickoff of an SEC rivalry game, then going and taking the great seats our pledges had been saving us since the crack of dawn. That's what college is all about my friend.
Also, I have a summer rush party on the lake the day after I finish my internship, and I thoroughly look forward to a day of boating, BBQ, drinking, talking to girls and meeting the fall rushees. In general, a nice day of frattyness is needed after a long summer of work and excel staring.
I actually was in a frat, I just don't openly 'rah rah rah' it anymore nor do I endorse most of it.
Your figure about 85% is an exagerration. Ultimately, it doesn't matter though, Frat or Not I don't really care.
My frat was fun the first 2 years, after that it was boring. That's not the frat's fault (their great guys), you just grow the fuck up. Alot of my brothers are now gayazzes, I guess I picked the wrong frat.
ahh, i hear you but talk to me when you're a few years deep in this game....
enjoy it while it lasts....
a nice day of frattyness? and your username is a play on "seersucker"? you are a fucking douche. i'm in a frat too but at least i don't act like a faggot.
Dan Bush, let me guess your typical day... You wake up, put on some cargo shorts you got from Abercrombie, then slide on your American Eagle polo with a popped collar, throw about a pound of gel in your hair, then put on one of those thick leather bands that you wish was a watch. Next you put the iPod in one of those huge cargo pockets compliments of your A&F cargo shorts, start blaring some Emo music because growing up in Providence was oh so tough and your parents just don't understand you. Throughout your life you have always feared that you might be gay and therefore project this fear by acting like a gay hater, as evidenced in a username with the word faggot and then calling me a faggot in a post. You walk around campus all day with the earphones in because you fear that if you talk to anyone new, then they might expose your non-hetero tendencies. After a hard day of kissing some professor's ass trying to get your B bumped to an A, you head over to hang out with your "frat". But since it is a "frat" opposed to a real fraternity, you are forced to get in a car and drive to the off campus apartments that is home of your "frat" because you don't have a proper house nicely located on campus. Your "frat" is probably filled with members similar to you (it is your pref and their pref as jimbo once said, so you obviously get along with them). But after a couple years of realizing no hot sorority girl wants to have a party with a bunch of dudes who sport the triple A (Abercrombie, American Eagle, Aeropostale) and don't have a proper house on campus, you decide fraternity life sucks and that from here on out you will make fun of anyone who reaps benefits from living a truly fratty lifestyle.
mm, i would like to extend you an open invitation to our parties
feel free to bring our buddy cockmen along. he may enjoy himself
SAE i take it?
Not an SAE, but I won't comment on any other guesses as to which fraternity I am in. My comment towards SigEps not counting is simply because the incredible weakness of that fraternity, which imo is a result of them having open recruitment (no hazing, no real pledgship). Open recruitment encourages weak applicants. What if Goldman Sachs said it will take anyone without interviewing them and that you only had to work 40 hour weeks? The quality of the company would plummet overnight.
cackenmimble's not a partyer, prob looks down on frat types. I hate that, I am in a frat and if your not I dont care I dont look down on that. But your decisions are your own and if you have a problem with people who like to have fun then your not going to get anywhere, especially in this business.
I'm not a partyer (nice spelling), I'm ''cackmenimble'' , a derivative of 'cockmenimble', or 'cockmen'.
If I had no good comebacks I would correct someone's spelling too :)
jimbo, you greek?
nope.
I think jimbo is Greek because once he mentioned what desk you land on in S&T being like rushing: it's your pref, but it's their pref. Only a Greek would understand that fully. Also, jimbo's coolness also leans toward being Greek (hopefully not a SigEp). And since there's a chance that some SigEps on this board could get offended, I will say I have some good friends in the fraternity, I just like to give them a hard time about the ease at which membership is gained for them.
EDIT: I stand corrected. Jimbo should have went Greek, seems like he would have been a regular fratstar.
Is that national? I know that sigep has a different policy than that at my school. For the record I am not in sigep.
Every chapters different I guess. Totally agree with your reasoning however
Did you rush?
let me try to remember...i went to rush parties, but my heart wasn't in it. i was sort of anti-frat in my late teens////
i dont know if sigep is like that everywhere. im not in a frat but the sigep at my school got in trouble for hazing, forgot what it was though
SigEps still give out bid cards, but they have a very different pledge process then most other fraternities. Some might actually haze a little, but in general, they just have a very different pledgship from most other national fraternities.
i think that cockme guy is hilarious btw, i almost laughed out loud here at work
They are also the biggest national fraternity there is, which in part, lets you know that membership is gained more easily than other fraternities. Again, they're still a good fraternity, and they have terrific chapters at some universities, they just catch a lot of jokes in the Greek scene because they have a different process. If someone was debating to either not go Greek or accept a SigEp bid, I would still advise them to join opposed to having no Greek affiliation. It's still worth it, even if it is SigEp.
lol trying to redeem yourself with the sigeps on this board
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Not really trying to redeem myself, just clarifying for people that were mentioning how SigEp seems different at their school. One of the interns I work with this summer is a SigEp from a northern school (the double whammy!), and he's one of my favorite interns to work with, but I still make fun of his weak pledgship.
Oh yes, I'm a girl. A preppy little sorority one too. One of a kind here. I'm not afraid to admit I can play with the big guys.
yes.. preppy sorority girls are one of a kind in the ibanking world. most aspiring banker chicks are the gothic/emo types...
mm44, don't know if you are being sarcastic (and accidentally put that you are a female in your profile) or if you truly are a sorority girl interested in banking. Assuming you are telling the truth, out of curiosity what conference is your school in (this helps me define what kind of sorority girl you could potentially be)?
sucker for seers likes the hot slutty type, so hes hoping youre from the big 10
Why the big ten? Big ten girls aren't on par with the SEC, they don't have nice southern accents and tend to lack southern class. I actually stay away from the slutty type, that's why I was curious what conference she went to because it tells a lot about their personality. On a side note, sorority girls get a bad rap for being sluts, some are for sure, but at my school the girls in the top sororities are the most classy, best looking, and have decent GPAs. They are not nearly as slutty as non-greek girls and/or lower tiered sororities.
Big 10. You got it. And although many may classify me as a typical sorority girl upon first appearance... they're delightfully surprised to find out the brains I've got.
But no, I am by no means a slut.
i was just kidding. yes, many fraternity and sorority types are overachievers and have everything going for them.. at least at my school, a private school in the Big 10 (big enough hint for ya?)
and i just picked the big 10 because of state schools known for their greek scenes like Madison and Illinois. i guess the SEC would make more sense.
Yea, I didn't think you were mouthing that seriously. As for fraternity and sorority life, I know things are very different outside of the major schools in the big conferences (SEC, ACC, Big 12, etc), but at most SEC schools, the Greek students pretty much run the campus. They have the all the big parties (naturally from having huge houses on campus), have all the exec positions in student government, get good grades etc. Every Greek org is filled with some idiots that just get drunk everyday and have 2.0 GPAs, but I think most of the leadership positions in Greek orgs are filled with successful people. In general, I have had a terrific experience with Greek life and will encourage my kids to rush.
I have never heard anyone cocky enough to stereotype sorority girls on what "conference" there school is in. That is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard. My school's in the ACC and I can barely compare the different sororities because they are all different and unique. How could you generalize so broadly if you have never even been to half of these schools, you have just watched their sport teams at a football game and think you can generalize sorority girls from it. Thats hilarious.
As people have pointed out on this forum, depending where you go to school, Greek life is very different. So yes I can paint a general picture on what their experience is like based off where they go. And the only thing I stereotyped about sorority girls outside of the SEC was that they lacked the southern accent and southern class. I'm not saying I wouldn't date a nothern sorority girl, because I would and I have, it's just that they have different personalities. Someone from Michigan is different than someone from Texas. Not always, but you can generalize. How could you derive what sorority girls are like from a sports team (most athletes have no Greek affiliation)? Yes, each sorority is different at each school, but as a whole that region is similar. It's self selecting, you pick the school you fit in with the best, therefore, you are probably most similar to people at your school. No need to pitch a fit because I mentioned that I think SEC sorority girls are different than Big 10 girls.
sucker pretty much nailed it, but I think the profile of sorority girls you paint in the SEC applies to the Big ten as well. slutty/not, some smart/not etc.
gotta love the drunk assholes with 2.0s. they are the ones who make things interesting haha.
Just curious...why do you say fraternities in the North and Northeast do not count? I'll admit I don't know much about Greek Life, outside of what our fraternity does, but I am located in the NE and love it. Admittedly though, Greek Life is not very prominent on campus.
cockmen, gotta agree with the 2 years part. by senior year hangin with freshman gets kinda old. but it still has its advantages ;)
Jimbo, I understand that. I'm from a really small town, never knew anyone from my town in a fraternity, had no family members in a fraternity, so when I first came to college I wasn't really anti-frat, but I definitely wasn't interested (so I didn't fall rush). Then after my first semester I realized all of my best friends were Greek and once I got exposed to it more decided to give it a shot. I've loved it ever since and am very pro-Greek now.
Johnp, yea I've met some Big 10 sorority girls while in Chicago that were very high quality (too bad they lacked the accent though and the southern style). And the fraternity brothers that stay in the drunken stupor all semester do make things interesting. What they lack in academic aptitude they make up for in beer pong ability.
IBDilo, when I say the North and NE don't count, I'm half serious and half joking. The problem with the NE is just like you said, fraternities aren't very prominent on the campus. People still love it, but it's a very different experience. For example, one of my good friends is in a fraternity at Columbia, he loves it and has a good time. But when you live in NY it's too expensive for fraternities to have huge mansions on campus. Whereas on my campus, almost every fraternity has a huge house, a big front or back hard for tailgating, sand volleyball pits, etc. When we throw parties we get moderately big named bands to play and always have themes (beach theme being a personal fav because girls are all in bikinis). I've seen houses have pledges spend weeks building an entire moat around their house and then framing the house up to look like a giant pirate ship, just so they can have a sweet pirate party for homecoming week. That stuff doesn't happen in the NE. In the SEC the Greek students are the ones that get most involved in homecoming, run student gov't, run the housing committee, etc. All in all, it's just much more involved and is a very big part of the college life in the SEC (as well as some other big conferences). As for the north, it's greek life is better than the NE (U of Mich, U of Wisconsin come to mind), but it's still very different from the southern/midatlantic/midwestern schools. People are still involved and throw big parties, it's just not as big of a deal. Does that make sense?
Definitely does. I go to a school in an urban location, so the frat houses are...well...not really frat houses by most's standards. It definitely sucks too, because there is a particular school roughly two hours away from us that is an utter frat heaven. Huge mansions, lines and lines of pledges, etc. Essentially their fratnernity life is fine wine to the RC cola that is ours. I hate too, and I gather this somewhat from the board, that all fraternity brothers are dead beats, focused simply on how trashed they can get over the course of the week, or how low they can let their grades slip without going on academic probation. Unfortunately, that's largely the perception at my school, and as a result, Greek Life has suffered. It's unfortunate, because you truly do share incredible times with your brothers, as well as a lifelong bond that comes with being in the same fraternity. Not to mention, with all the IB hopefuls out there, you'd be surprised how many networking opportunities you can find thoughout your fraternity.
"What they lack in academic aptitude they make up for in beer pong ability."
Cackmenimble, can I assume you didn't go to an SEC school? I agree, that there's things I won't do my senior year that I did last year, but I don't see myself hanging out with my fraternity brothers or sorority girls any less. In fact, I see myself staying in touch with a decent amount of my fraternity brothers for the rest of my life. However, I have friends who joined a fraternity and didn't like it/wished they joined a different fraternity. So I understand where you're coming from. It's not for everyone and the fraternity you join can be a game changer.
I am tight with 5 buddies suckerforseers, they're cool and we chill. I'm also friends with 2 sorority girls and we still chill. That's 7 out of a loose group of say 200 that I was acquainted with...
Some would consider that pretty good.
But I'm also tight with old highschool friends, my point is that it can get old, you better choose a good frat/sorority, and that there are a number of annoying frat people sorority people that I would rather not ever speak with, or have anything to do with. Let's face it, there's a certain % of dumbasses who join them, it's a law of #'s... That was always part of the 'team' system that I found it hard to deal with, peopple who couldn't hold their own so they joined a frat.
Granted, a lot of dudes who are already cool join frats and that brings them to the next level.
Period.
Phi Alpha to any SAEs on the board.
laxn103 youre very right but you gotta admit Sucker has the whole i-banker elitist, pretentious attitude going for him.
and in the context of this forum, thats a compliment.
looking at it from an IB standpoint, a large % of my ECs on my resume relate to my involvement in the greek system
so whether you are 'frat for life', or not, no one here can argue that its not a valuable experience
On another note, now that I have been looped into this long convo, my school's Greek Life office sucks, we got in trouble for hazing last year that we didn't even get caught for, someone spilled the beans, and its not even bad hazing, it involved drinking beer. We also have a crazy housemom who calls the cops on us if she smells pot in the house. My president asked the University to hire someone else for us but they gave us the cold shoulder. The system is so fucked up.
That sucks man. We lost are house a few years back for hazing. No worries though, we just built a new one that's even closer to the football stadium... The Greek life office at my school sucks too, they punish some of the stupidest things, yet don't punish things that should be. Also, I know the director personally from having to work with her once, cannot stand her.
House mom wouldn't last a week at our house, for numerous reasons
We have a nice little provision from the school that prevents the cops from entering our houses tho. Our parties are patrolled by IFC so the cops keep out, wich is kinda nice.
Same way down south Sucker?
IFC patrols during the weekends as well, but my unversity mandates that all houses have a housemom that they appoint, it is not a choice and she is literally a sociopathic controlling bitch that I wish would drown in her own vomit.
Sucks about the house mom. Luckily the chancellor of my university is an old school member, along with some other people high on the totem pole at my university. Therefore, no house mom (although we do have to have an graduate RA, no worries though, we only accepted resumes from members at other schools and our Pres and Vice Pres got to interview them). As for the cops, they stand outside and make sure we only let people in on the list and then we have party marshals (members of the fraternity) patrol in house. The cops also make sure everything is in a cup. I don't mind them, cuz when they prevent people from trying to start fights and stupid things like that, but at the same time, they never ruin the greatness going on inside.
wow that sucks. frats at my school dont hav housemoms, and the IFC never ever busts parties.
I think the main thing to remember here is that no matter how fratty your fratastic frat is, it is in the SEC. The problem with the SEC is that it isn't in the Northeast and the problem with it not being in the Northeast is that it isn't in the Ivy League. I'm sure the CEO of Wachovia was a big Gamecocks (or whatever animal you want to pick) fan in his day, but if your school is truly baller, then it is so elite, that it's mascot is not an animal, but a color and nothing else. Have fun hazing all the fall rushes, I'm sure they'll find the true meaning of brotherhood by cupping one another's balls while marching.
Elite in academics. Nothing else. Weather blows, sports are atrocious, lots of ugly girls, Harvard for some reason can't get AC in dorms, most of the locations suck/campus are not preferable (who honestly wants to live in New Haven?). But in my opinion some of the ivy league schools that started as old boy's clubs, are kinda like the original fraternities, which is cool so they still get tons of respect in my book. Plus, the NE is home to Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket, possibly two of the most fratty places in the U.S. (which makes me wonder why NE fraternities are so weak, they are almost in the epicenter of the leisure lifestyle).
For the record, I am completely against anything even remotely gay when it comes to hazing. They do other stuff that sucks, but in the end, it's all pretty funny and it's stuff they'll look back on and be glad they went through it. Grabbing another dude's balls or doing an elephant walk is something that very few people could look back on and be glad they did. Therefore, that does not fly with me or my fraternity ever. Ultimately our goal is to take cocky high school boys who think they're the shit, break 'em down, then build them back up as classy gentleman that will have hot sorority girls falling all over them for the rest of their life.
yay for fall football
I gotta go check out some Monet and Van Gogh at the Art Institute, it's my last night in Chicago. I'll answer some of the fraternity stuff later.
i like that typical day, made me reminisce.
now my typical day involves waking up at an obscene hour, feeling like i'm in a warzone all the time...but getting paid pretty damn well to do some interesting stuff.
lOL LETS FRAT OUT!!!1!
Sorry. I'm at work as usual right now, but thinking about how in three weeks I'll be sleeping till noon (earliest class is at 12:45).
*Soooo. . . you didn't get that BB internship this summer and you think that staying wasted throughout the year isn't going to keep you from a 4.0?
It's nice to dream.
I don't know who this was directed toward, but it doesn't make any sense. And why the hell do you always use an asterisk? First, an asterisk and a bullet point are not interchangeable. Second, you don't need to use bullet points (assuming you used them) in every post.
this is a business/frat type of question:
The President of my fraternity and 4 other members recently went to our national convention in Memphis. Our house budget (which everyone pays into) paid for the flight, however the president decided to put $90 worth of taxi fees toward the house too. I think this is wrong because:
Let me know your opinion.
where were the taxi's too...if it was airport to hotel. fine. if it was going out in memphis related then no.
i've been to memphis. weird place.
I think it was only airport to hotel, i guess your right. No one wants to be the president, especially at my school where you have to deal with the bullshit greek office 24/7, so i guess there should be perks. I think it would be wrong for someone else to have done it though.
Sucker just a few thoughts on why frats dont really jive with the NE.
First off I think the weather plays a huge role. Frats in general are a warm weather entity. You need that big back yard and space to throw the kind of rips that a frat in the south can offer.
Second is the southern lifestyle. Yes, the NE practically invented frattyness, but outside of Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, Watch Hill, Newport, and a few other places that lifestyle really isn't like what New England really is. NE is cramped in terms of population- lots of metropolitan areas on top of each other. That's not conducive to frat life, which usually has huge houses and living spaces. The south's more laidback and genteel attitude fits more appropriately.
Third, NE is filled with tons of small private schools. Yes, there are some big party schools like UMass but the vast majority of colleges are smaller than 10,000 and most less than 5,000. Hard to build up the kind of frat network and diversity that make the SEC/ACC/Big XII/Pac10 frats so great.
Fourth, and this is a byproduct of the small private schools, the sports do suck. At least for colleges. No good football teams, which is a frat killer. Big East basketball good but nowhere near the same.
The one place I could see a fratty attitude developing is out of the hockey in New England. I know hockey players at places like Amherst and Trinity and their teams are extremely fratty- usually buying out mansions each year for their teams to fill. Amherst College's house even has their own illegal bar called the Penalty Box that is a huge hit. They also keep incredibly close ties through graduation.
Up in the Northeast frats are kind of frowned upon. I think it's because of some stuff that parents hear on the news about dumb kids at MIT drinking so much water they kill themselves but people in New England are so left wing overreactive that they freak out from the slightest bits of news. For whatever reason, frats are seen by most private college kids up here as the havens for dumb kids and jocks at the safety school public universities in New England. Fair or unfair, they've just never taken off.
Disagree, the biggest reason why there is no frat scene in the NE is because it is much more city focused where all the good schools are centered around major cities. Being located in cities means there are amazing bar/club scenes which elimate the need to have a social life centered around frat parties.
Gomes, I agree with everything you said. Very few places in the NE can support/offer the things that make fraternities great, with a few exceptions. The sucky weather and cramped living pretty much prevent the great frat scene from existing. I have family that lives in the NE and they are always questioning the fact that I'm in a fraternity. They think it's some horrible thing that shouldn't exist. Another thing you were correct about was the social connections. If you are a member of a solid southern fraternity you have insane connections. If fact, I would go onto say that unless you are already a part of very prominent family, then you are essentially screwed when it comes to networking in the south unless you are part of a fraternity. I get a lot of hookups now through older members and through current member's family, so when I'm older and all of my brothers are in the business world, the hookups will be even more ridiculous.
Patrick Bateman, you said the exact same thing Gomes did except you made an incorrect assumption. We don't throw frat parties because there aren't any good clubs to go to near us. We throw frat parties because we don't care to go to clubs (just like the numerous aforementioned reasons why we don't like living in the north). Why go to a hang out at a place where we can't determine who is and isn't allowed in, where you don't have your own room a floor above where you are partying to take the fox you just met to when it's time to let the real fun begin, where the drinks are overpriced, and list goes on. In fact, I can't think of a single reason why I would want to go to a nice club over a nice fraternity house (assuming I'm a member of that house) with the exception being if I owned the club, but even then you finally have all the same privileges a quality fraternity has in throwing parties.
monkeyderiv just PMed me to "shut the fuck up" I mean cmon
Let's look at the ivies...Penn has the strongest frat scene by most accounts (though I might be mistaken...it's one of the strongest at least) and it's in Philadelphia so that doesn't really follow from urban areas != frats. Then you have Columbia in NY...with an anemic frat scene. Who knows?
mm44 you little sorostitute you!
...
It's fraternity, not frat.
You wouldn't call your country a c***, would you?
Actually, you just never use the word "frat" as a noun. An adjective (I was referring to the type of party) or using it as a verb "I'm going to frat hard this weekend" is completely acceptable. True that I would never say "In my frat, the members are all successful," instead, I would always say "In my fraternity..."
you're mixing metaphors.
Lamest line ever. The word would be count in reality.
Fraternity : Frat :: Country : Count
Lighten up guys, it was a joke.
I think he was trying to do it phonetically
Fraternity : fret
pseudo-macho frat idiots with their neon polo shirts and plaid clown-like shorts annoy the hell out of me.
I mean does anybody know a fratboy who could solve a basic differential equation to save his life?
Imagine if the ivy league just had legacy fratboys. Nobody would want to go that educational shithole then, lol
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