I might be interning selling EM CLN's (and whatever other structured innovations they come up with) next summer and I just wanted to know what type of clients buy these puppies. I know broadly that institutions are the clients, but more like what type of return/risk appetite they have, etc. How sphisticated they are.

 

On the exotic side? take your pick.... the rate and spread range accruals are very popular in the us. there's a fair amount of rate/fx and rate/equity hybrid stuff. leveraged steepeners. autocallables. all sorts of things.

 
Jimbo:
On the exotic side? take your pick.... the rate and spread range accruals are very popular in the us. there's a fair amount of rate/fx and rate/equity hybrid stuff. leveraged steepeners. autocallables. all sorts of things.
Please expound upon everything you just mentioned.
 

jimbo... what do u think of the book "robust libor modeling and pricing of derivative products"? i've been readin thru it, mostly learnin the math involved in the first few chps, this summer in between work...

 
Please expound upon everything you just mentioned.

Do you mean a primer on exotic options? Or on the rate land stuff? Can't help with rate land but for exotics here is a quick 5 minute primer: http://thismatter.com/Money/Options/exotic_options.htm

Mentions accrual options there. Then use google for the rest. I suggest reading some papers on the pricing on "vanilla" exotic options (up and out etc) if you aren't familiar. Here is a good one: http://www.math.nyu.edu/research/carrp/papers/pdf/multipl3.pdf

 
mahras2:
Please expound upon everything you just mentioned.

Do you mean a primer on exotic options? Or on the rate land stuff? Can't help with rate land but for exotics here is a quick 5 minute primer: http://thismatter.com/Money/Options/exotic_options.htm

Mentions accrual options there. Then use google for the rest. I suggest reading some papers on the pricing on "vanilla" exotic options (up and out etc) if you aren't familiar. Here is a good one: http://www.math.nyu.edu/research/carrp/papers/pdf/multipl3.pdf

HEY thanks mahras2, I appreciated the links and found the paper useful, but I am looking more towards rate stuff. He mentioned some hybrid stuff that I wasn't clear about.
 
Jimbo:
like which ones? tell me what you know and i can fill in the blanks.
Well, in terms of cds's, the CDX and whatnot... I don't understand what trading correlation is. I figure it has to do with the dynamics of probability of default correlations between diff. names in a CDO.. but other than that I'm in need of guidance. I work on the buyside (LLs, PE) but I'm really interested in credit derivs and rates in general (Econ background).
 
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Jimbo:
like which ones? tell me what you know and i can fill in the blanks.
Well, in terms of cds's, the CDX and whatnot... I don't understand what trading credit correlation consitutes. I figure it has to do with the dynamics of probability of default correlations between diff. names in a CDO.. but other than that I'm in need of guidance. I work on the buyside (LLs, PE) but I'm really interested in credit derivs and rates in general (Econ background).
 

the basic idea is that exotics aren't really exotics...a replicating portfoilio of securities or derivatives with more basic payoff patterns can be constructed to form the same payoff structure as the exotic. that's how banks can issue these exotics; they hedge them using the replicating portfolio and charge a spread between the cost of the replicant and the exotic. sometimes the banks have actually created new derivatives in order to help hedge the risks on the exotics they make (i.e. the iTraxxx products for credit correlation). evervything jimbo mentioned has such a replicating portfolio.

 
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montecarlo7:
the basic idea is that exotics aren't really exotics...a replicating portfoilio of securities or derivatives with more basic payoff patterns can be constructed to form the same payoff structure as the exotic. that's how banks can issue these exotics; they hedge them using the replicating portfolio and charge a spread between the cost of the replicant and the exotic. sometimes the banks have actually created new derivatives in order to help hedge the risks on the exotics they make (i.e. the iTraxxx products for credit correlation). evervything jimbo mentioned has such a replicating portfolio.

in theory yes. though actually not all exotics can be replicated in traded vanilla space. the market in outright rate correlation simply doesn't trade in certain pairs.

and even ones that can in theory be replicated easily can be very difficult to hedge in practice.

 
Jimbo:
montecarlo7:
the basic idea is that exotics aren't really exotics...a replicating portfoilio of securities or derivatives with more basic payoff patterns can be constructed to form the same payoff structure as the exotic. that's how banks can issue these exotics; they hedge them using the replicating portfolio and charge a spread between the cost of the replicant and the exotic. sometimes the banks have actually created new derivatives in order to help hedge the risks on the exotics they make (i.e. the iTraxxx products for credit correlation). evervything jimbo mentioned has such a replicating portfolio.

in theory yes. though actually not all exotics can be replicated in traded vanilla space. the market in outright rate correlation simply doesn't trade in certain pairs.

and even ones that can in theory be replicated easily can be very difficult to hedge in practice.

yup.

 

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