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Aug 24, 2021 - 12:19pm

Hey, I'm not a women so not sure I can help much besides saying I'm wishing you the best and I hope all is well and good luck. I am aware of people and women who have moved from high power finance/consulting into more creative type industries like beauty and art and the like. I'm happy to try to write / help more but not sure if you want my help and/or if there is anything else I can do. Either way, best wishes and good luck again :)

Aug 24, 2021 - 12:43pm

Have you considered going into Brand Management or Product Marketing at a CPG company? What about Corporate Finance at a well-known F500 with a strong track record of developing and nurturing their finance talent?

To be honest, I don't know if this is the right forum to ask this question. You sound like someone who is driven by the goal of having a successful career, but doesn't necessarily want to be consumed by it. The people on this forum will naturally sway towards the latter, whether they want to admit it or not.

Take a step back and think about the many career fields out there that can, and will, provide you with - reasonable - levels of challenge and plenty of opportunities to learn and grow while also cultivating long-term earnings potential. You're only 27, which means you have more of your career ahead of you than the number of years you've been alive, so far. You don't have to find the "set path" right away.

Aug 24, 2021 - 12:48pm

Im not a female but this hit home, I'm sure other men feel the same way(not trying to take anything away from the females). I believe the person you're trying to prove your worth too, as corny as it sounds, is yourself. I come from very humble beginnings and was in a similar situation, albeit to a lesser extent. When you make it to Wall St, everyone will acknowledge how hard the journey must have been. Even the radicals that swear big banks are evil will admit that the people who make it there are indeed talented. "Badge of Honor" is fitting title for cracking the code and getting in these firms.

My input is:

No matter how much propaganda you absorb, the fact is, jobs on Wall Street are tough, and time consuming (life consuming really). The idea that you'll be different because you're aware of the reality of Wall Street is pretty naive in thinking. However, I truly believe there are some people , many people even, that find fulfillment in working in the industry. No matter which path you choose, you'll always wonder what's on the other side of the fence.

As for your spiritual awakening or quarter life crisis (which is a real thing I can relate to) , it's great you're having it now instead of later in life. I know it's a difficult time, and I hope me being a male doesn't come off as mansplaining, but really I understand the deep feeling of….emptiness, purposelessness? It's kind of hard to put into words right? And of course you're grateful for the opportunity, but what's left after all the accolades from your peers are gone? There's absolutely nothing wrong with chasing a life full of pure happiness instead of prestige driven happiness, often times people would rather be around the former. I want to make it clear though that there is NOTHING wrong with leaving the industry (or not trying to rule the world) , and there is NOTHING wrong with staying in it. The great part is that you already proved that you can do it , you have the freedom of choice.

You'll sleep easier now knowing whichever life you choose will be one of your own volition.

I think coming from humble beginnings really makes you want to prove that you're just as capable as any, and everyone else. I'm sure being a female compounded that feeling too. Be proud of the person you made of yourself, no matter what.

Aug 24, 2021 - 1:02pm

Not a female. So, not the exact advice you're looking for, but I hope what I'm about to write makes sense. You are overthinking things, not necessarily in a female way, but in a young adult becoming a real adult sort of way within your own context. You are obviously thoughtful, seemingly intelligent, and, according to you, attractive. You've lived your life with limitless opportunities and only now are some of those opportunities starting to disappear. It makes sense you feel the walls closing in. 

I recommend doing something you probably haven't needed to do too often: ask for help.

If I were you, I'd use your career office. Get a list of female grads in IB/PE/MBB from the last 5-7 years (solid mix of people still in finance and lots who recently exited maybe some to fashion), then track down the women you are seeking out - Linkedin and Instagram will likely provide you a group of women that make sense to reach out to. The overwhelming majority will be happy to take a call. While, none of these people will give you the answer you want or tell you what to do, their experiences will give you insight on how to move forward and what to look for. 

Once you've done that, it's up to you to figure out what you want. I'd recommend chilling out and living your life then taking score of what you find fulfilling at the end of each  week. Much easier said than done, but it makes sense while you still have the time to be reflective. Also, definitely try an internship in finance - it's as much an interview for a firm as it is for you. 

Good Luck.

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Aug 24, 2021 - 2:01pm

Didn't read everything in post or this comment but was going to say something similar. I will always and have recommended to people is to find others at different stages down a particular path and source their experience. Try to have genuine exchange. Share your insecurities or concerns - maybe they had them or have them too and did xyz or felt that way until abc.

If you're at a target, trust me someone will be in similar mindset as you. There are always image conscious people. You have to dig deeper into your motivations and find a MUCH more solid 'why' that aligns with the decisions you take.

But here's a little blurb with a perspective/lesson that you might appreciate, with me trying to share my exact ego also (not change wording to sound more humble or down to earth):

For me, I grew up w awesome and fun people but always felt at some distance because my family wasn't as well off and were always scorning me for having fun and making friends with people who 'wouldn't be there when i needed it' etc etc and as a 15 year old that caused a lot of resentment when I felt working hard and having a good time wasn't mutually exclusive. I had friends not well off but awesome family and still successful which caused resentment. Parents cared about title, status, etc as immigrants and made it into a 'you can be happy when' situation, which is stupid for a kid. But even with a poor connection with my parents I made lifelong bonds w guys and girls at school and most of them had a lot more money (or were just bigger spenders on their kids for sports and stuff). I wanted the lifestyle they had and their parents had, that I saw when I went over to their house to hang out and bonfires or birthday parties. They would invite me to their vacation house and we'd have an insane time drinking and inviting girls over, partying etc as high schoolers / college. But that only happened because I am easy going and try to make the best out of every situation. After all, it was maybe me and one other kid who weren't that well off who would get invited etc etc. Random ass people weren't there. If I didn't have my attitude, I'd have gotten offended by certain comments as kids or insecure about this that or the other. MAINLY from parents who would talk down my friends every single second, though they shut up about it now. If I listened to them, I'd be like every other judge mental person who was insecure about their place among people who 'had more' or 'were cooler' etc. What ended up happening was I realized I wanted the best for myself but didn't want to sacrifice the day to day and to enjoy my life as much as possible while it happened too. Those friends don't understand why I would subject myself to finance (they would just never work these hours), but they get ME.

I wanted a minimum certain lifestyle to be ABLE to do those things. I wanted to never worry about money like my parents did, and be able to do what I want when I want. I sacrificed a lot of those relationships (still FaceTime Snapchat but obviously not the same) going into a target school (I figured everyone who would go would be lame and a nerd, but not the case at all) and then into finance knowing I can generally make friends with anyone and figure out how to have a good ride while it's happening. Ultimately, the person I am will attract certain other people and as long as the right people enjoy being around me and I can be around those people that's all that matters.

Ive went on exotic trips during vacation with those friends last few years with my own money, having the time of my life. I went back home recently and had an entire week of just doing shit every 5 minutes with people that I love while trying to avoid my parents - water sports, golfing (my parents wouldn't give me $30 for anything let alone everyday to hit things with a stick), eating out, bars, fishing, relaxing by the fire. I'm reminded of my why. I want to do the good stuff and live a good life, with great people who are also doing fun shit. Who are good people with good values and can love forever because in abundance THEY realize what's important too (who knows what will happen down the line). The house with all stuff is worth so much less without people to enjoy it with. But I believe in my ability to attract those people when I can. I'm good friends w professional athletes, rich people, just as much as regular ass people and I never want to be someone who 'can't hang' with people like that (I want the choice to or not, not have it made for me).

Seeing my parents scrimp and scrape for retirement and then get wiped during 08 and then making their combined salary first year out college, KNOWING I'm intelligent enough to figure out HOW to enjoy the ride while it's happening is all I need to say fuck it, why not? If you're not able to enjoy yourself or find people to have a good time with wherever you are, or find ways to enjoy your life no matter the circumstances you will be at a loss anywhere (see: miserable parents who definitely regret being so anal only after reflecting on it). For me, it's only a why NOT after - why not make as much as I can for now, while I don't have any business ideas. Why NOT work hard, I'm going to enjoy my life no matter what anyway. To me, it's the ONLY option. While I'm getting a lot of shit in the job sometimes, I'm getting ahead because I AM making good money. I'm not settling for something that's less work for less money. I prefer more work and more money. But I'm sure that'll change.

But it comes down to being able to enjoy yourself during the ride and the process, some fucking how and figuring that out. It's more important than impressing your boss or doing a good job at work, though those ultimately feed into that goal. You don't need to stay in high finance, don't need to take an intense job, whatever. But when you reframe things properly and realize what matters to YOU, then you'll 'get it'. You will have a framework for making the right decision. Talk to people and figure out your 'why'. I don't know what decision that will be; but you must have absolute faith in your well reasoned decisions and act accordingly to changing principles.

Working so much has hurt my social life and relationships, and I've reached out to places like WSO as an outlet during work to vent or share my feelings, and I get some juice back. I regret nothing and I love my life.

Aug 24, 2021 - 1:08pm

Disclaimer; I'm a white male. 

Based on what you wrote you sound like you'd enjoy a career in finance where you can continue to fuel your ambition and be well rewarded and regarded - that said, I wouldn't recommend any of the career paths that consume your entire life (i.e. investment banking division, M&A, and most private equity). You can definitely find a gig that will allow you to be in touch with your feminine side while also feeding you everything that finance offers that you're also craving, but you need to be careful about which career you pick.

The trade-off kind of comes down to either money or time, and by the sound of it you're looking for a career path that leans 65/35 Money/Time - so maybe look at things like Brand Management, Corporate Development, Equity Research, Corporate Banking or Mid-Market Commercial Banking, Real Estate Finance, etc.. Not everybody needs to become a "dealmaker" in M&A, and those that do are the people that are willing to sacrifice everything else for it (at least for a few years). 

On another post I recently saw, someone commented that their mentality/schedule to get through investment banking was as follows: 24 Hours in day - work hours - gym hour - dinner hour = sleep. Ask yourself if you can do that consistently for 2-3 years and you'll know if a career in M&A is the right path for you. 

STONKS
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Aug 26, 2021 - 9:39am

thebigshorter999

thanks for including your race!

Not really sure how that makes me a contributor to diversity of thought but I guess it's almost expected to disclose that nowadays based on the threads we've seen on this forum lately.. lol

STONKS
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Aug 24, 2021 - 1:15pm

I am a guy so obviously can't relate on all of the things you are feeling but a couple of your points really resonated with how I felt about 4 years ago. You said "it seems I wanted to be the girl that has it all" and talked about how you want to do those things because they seem impressive to others.

Once I finished my masters and got my first job in the trading world I had this exact same realization with myself. I was depressed and absolutely dreaded each day since it meant more of the same of something I realized I was doing for outside validation instead of what I really wanted. I was being driven by my ego and how I thought I might looks to others. After a lot of meditation, soul searching, fucking off to the other side of the world for a couple months, and realizing that the ego was a creation by my mind that didn't have to exist my solution was to quit the job I had, move from energy to ag trading (took a big cut in pay) and move to a new city that offered me the opportunity to take on hobbies I enjoyed and I can't say enough how much it changed my life. It was scary quitting a job I had worked so hard to get and give up some money in the process. It was scary to move to a new city without knowing anyone else. And it has been intimidating at times getting into new hobbies that I don't know anything about.

But, having said that, it has been the absolute most liberating thing I have ever done. I have never been happier in my 29 years of life. It is obviously easier said than done but I would strongly encourage you to follow those feelings you're having deep inside and see what else is out there. What do you find yourself researching on your own in your spare time? Where does your mind wander when there is nothing else going on? Go get whatever that is with as much initiative as you have chased the previous goals you have. It will be a short term adjustment to say the least but you have the rest of your life to reap the rewards of it. 

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  • VP in IB-M&A
Aug 24, 2021 - 1:48pm

Not female but am surprised by the thoughtful compassionate answers you're receiving. 
 

1) This post screams 'Post-MBA associate'. All talk and absolutely no action. You admit that you are not cerebral and have low stamina but want to go into the most grueling role just so you can feel accomplished? That's adorable that you are "considering PE" but so is every one of your classmates who has actual finance experience and has had the path of BB/MM > M7 > PE planned out since they were 17?

2) I do not know what you're getting on about by insinuating you're hotter than all of your classmates. There are plenty of smart accomplished females at both CBS/Stern and IB/MBB/FAANG corporate etc – mental processing capacity and appearance aren't necessarily mutually exclusive, especially in the client-facing fields that you mentioned. People who are smart and work hard at their jobs also tend to work hard at not looking like slobs. Females are also not all "highly emotional" - in fact, my male post-MBA associate is on the verge of tears all the damn time while my HYP female analysts merrily chug along. 
 

3) What is the point of your post? Why don't you actually do your SA and then get back to us with another diary entry? Everyone thinks they are a hard worker until they are tasked with actual work and expectations. IB is not a flurry of business formal and expensed meals, there is a ton of grunt work that will eat at your physical appearance. If you are up for it, great, if not, go work in IR. 
 

This post may be a bit curt but I am fixing another post MBA Associate's mess just so the analyst they've enslaved can have a little breathing room. If you think you won't be able to handle it before you've even put your summer in, I don't know what to tell you

Aug 24, 2021 - 3:32pm

From one of the people who responded with thoughtful advice, I like this comment. There is a ton of nonsense in the original topic, and it's wildly self centered. I assumed OP just started to realize an mba is her last chance to reset, then started to panic. So, I laid off.

But you are 100% right - do the SA and take the gut check or go do something else.

Aug 24, 2021 - 4:57pm

doing an SA would be a great idea, if only for selfish reasons.

Also think the poster needs a reality check too, the comment above is probably the best on the thread. 

There are hot girls everywhere who want to "prove themselves" or have a chip on their shoulder, etc. etc. like 2/10 who have it in their end, but what happens is like 1/4 actually push through everything that's needed to make it somewhere really tough, because the 3/4 realize they don't need to do all that to live a good life or have money etc.

  • VP in IB-M&A
Aug 24, 2021 - 10:05pm

Zero self awareness in her post

I don't want to "be mean" but I am sick of having to interview/train candidates like her who think "IB sounds kinda fun".

No qualified female (background in finance, consulting, corp dev, tech) willingly recruits for IB post b school so we get our choice of non-English speakers or this bullshit in the name of gender diversity. We need to just abolish bschools I swear to god

  • Prospect in IB - Gen
Aug 26, 2021 - 1:01am

I am a female in IB.

Very very surprised by the positive feedback OP got as well.

A large part of what OP said screams that she thinks she is super good looking and just wants to capitalize on her good looks to avoid hard work.

Good luck in ten years.

There are many extremely attractive and highly capable women in high finance. OP will certainly not be the only one. This is not to mention that a person's physical attractiveness is highly correlated with income. This is also not to mention that she seems to have not gotten an offer IB or PE so far.

  • Prospect in IB-M&A
Aug 27, 2021 - 3:30pm

I'll be honest, I read OP's cutesy diary entry as a parody, some dude taking a shot at women who "think they want to be in finance." Sort of surprised that people seem to be taking it seriously (although the advice given has been decent if OP is legit).

Aug 24, 2021 - 2:00pm

There is no way this is a real post. I actually feel bad for all the people that took the time to write paragraph answers. "My femininity is too high for finance". I picture some fat, blue haired, woman typing this out on her Mac book with "feel the bern " stickers

Aug 24, 2021 - 5:12pm

Am female. I've been in that place before where I've wondered whether I'm wildly different from men/ innately different - I went to an all girls school, so for a time in my teenage years I genuinely believed males were a totally different alien species.

But now I think we're all unique, what you're going through at the moment is a human experience (not necessarily a female one) and that normally two randomly selected individual men (or two individual women) will be more different to each other than the 'average' man and 'average' woman.

I think maybe to be in this job/ persuit you need some kind of inferiority complex. I've worked out that no job offer/ house/ amount of money ever seems good enough for me or satisfies, because I don't think of myself as 'good enough', I probably never did in my childhood, and now I'm trying to make up for it with money & achievements. (Hopefully good to recognise!) 

There are traditionally masculine and feminine aspects to all of our personalities. Being at an all girls' school, I felt like me and my friends got to explore the more 'male' aspects of ours, as we were plugging the gaps in our environment. Some friends who went to boys' schools found a similar experience the other way around.

We all go through identity questions, everyone on the planet is a bit mental and mixed up in one way or another. Wish you all the best & know that you're not alone.

  • Analyst 2 in IB - Cov
Aug 24, 2021 - 5:41pm

As a woman who has been in IB for 3 years, I've found ways to make this job work for me and have gotten to a place where I'm genuinely content with being in this industry long term. However, a lot of it had to do with luck and things that were out of my control. Side note, I also worked briefly in beauty and fashion so your points on "femininity" definitely resonate with me.

Firstly, the environment you grew up in has a significant impact on how you navigate traditionally white male-dominated spaces. I'm a woman and a minority - I grew up in a very white town and went to predominantly white schools from kindergarten through college. As a result, it does not phase me at all to walk into a room and not see anyone who looks like me - I got used to that a long time ago. If you're accustomed to seeing representation in your everyday life, it can be a culture shock to all of a sudden no longer have that. The best thing you can do for yourself is to think about being "the only woman" or "too feminine" as little as possible. It doesn't do you any good to stress about it and chances are if you act like you're just like everyone else, people will treat you just the same.

Secondly, the firm and group you join can really make or break your experience as a woman in IB. Honestly, the group you join matters way more than the firm since culture can be extremely variable group to group. Personally, I maybe got lucky in that my group is pretty male dominated, but I've always been treated with 100% respect and never felt ostracized in any way due to being a woman. If you get even the slightest bad vibe from someone, man or woman, listen to your gut. I remember the only female MD I've ever interviewed with actually really put me off - I can't even really describe why, but I just felt that she held women in IB to an unrealistically high standard and it would probably be miserable working for her. Maybe it was a result of the experience she had to go through back in the day (unfortunately), but still not an environment I wanted to put myself in. 

Lastly, being feminine and putting effort into your appearance IS NOT A BAD THING! Confidence is such a key part of being successful and earning respect in IB, and if putting effort into your looks helps you with that, then you're doing yourself a favor. When it comes to superficial stuff like makeup, hair, clothes, etc. I think a certain element of not caring what other people think is good. Back when we were in the office, I wore pretty much whatever I wanted - bright colors that no guy in the office would ever wear, prints, bolder lipsticks, etc. If people who don't know me want to pass judgement, who cares? I have a great reputation amongst my team and I'm confident that I can do my job well no matter what I look like, so what do I have to lose if someone thinks my lipstick is too bright?  

To wrap it up, I think the level of self awareness and introspection that you have is great - a lot of people don't realize these things until it's too late. There are ways to find equilibrium and balance in IB, but it takes time and might require changes to your own habits and ways of thinking (or getting comfortable being uncomfortable at first). Ultimately, I have pretty solid confidence in myself and I have a great team that supports me, which makes me excited to keep going down this path. Something to keep in mind is that the switching cost in finance is high - especially for women. The risk of moving to a new firm and finding myself in a toxic work environment with a sexist / racist boss is real, and it's scary. Being in an environment where I feel supported and cared for is super valuable to me and I wouldn't walk away from it easily. 

  • VP in IB - Gen
Aug 24, 2021 - 6:32pm

You know it's August and near labour day weekend when everyone apparently has enough time on their hands to write a dissertation as their posts on WSO threads.

  • Intern in IB-M&A
Aug 24, 2021 - 10:14pm

The people responding to this thread are mistaken when they say that they are not women, because they're a bunch of pussies

Aug 24, 2021 - 11:00pm

The solution to your problem, as a woman MBA candidate, is the Put Out Option. Before you ask, yes, this is a real and observable phenomenon in the business world. Many women MBAs have your exact same feelings at some point in their MBA candidacy, and as a 2nd year woman MBA candidate, you have the option to put yourself out there and meet as many men in your MBA class as possible until you find a partner to pay the bills. You don't have to love them. You just have to love their earning potential.

Problem solved. No need to climb up the hyper masculine career ladder when you can exercise the Put Out Option.

Aug 24, 2021 - 11:14pm

Your level of self reflection seems above average (or you have expressed it so) and will certainly help you. I would add that there is no rule against being a feminine banker or investor. My managing director is a normally feminine mother and she seems to be successful. Best of luck.

Aug 25, 2021 - 2:05am

It's pretty cliche but think about what you want. I know lots of women/POC/"nontraditional" people in finance. Some do it because they genuinely love the work, some do it because they genuinely love the money, and some do it because they genuinely care about proving others wrong & maybe helping finance become a more diverse space along the way. The common thread here is being genuine - do finance for a reason that is fundamentally important to you. if part of that is fueled by wanting to prove other people wrong and show that an "atypical" woman can make it in finance, that's ok - but make sure you find something fulfilling in your day to day and long term work (and even paycheck) to get you through.

Aug 25, 2021 - 7:37pm

You mentioned mindfulness. Is this from meditation or the anti-anxiety meds? There is nothing wrong with questioning your own motives. Not every hobby is meant to be a career. Hobbies such as your creative pursuits are probably enjoyable because it is done on your terms as opposed to a career that has a schedule, etc. Do an internship and see how you feel. You'll probably know quickly if it's for you or not. Everything will be fine. You'll figure it out.

One thing though - if you're taking meds for anxiety - stop taking them. Focus on meditation instead. Pills do not solve anything long-term, anxiety lives in the mind.

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  • Associate 1 in IB - Cov
Aug 25, 2021 - 11:54pm

Dear Diary,

I'm not sure what I'm doing with my life (too feminine for IB), but at least I'm hotter than the rest of my ugly classmates.

Love,

Trisha :hearts:

Aug 26, 2021 - 12:50am

Every attractive vibrant and happy female i know in ib either quit within a year or two after being shell shocked with how bad it was  or became a tired, soulless, and haggard and depressed shell of their formers self as a vp and up.

It will age you, make many men have little interest in dating you, you won't have time to blow dry your hair(sleep will be more appealing), and forget daily makeup.

Go to ir or corp finance and have a life. Dont join the men who trade time for money and are all balding, having heart issues, and have horrible skin complexions from daily 19 hour work days.

Array
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Aug 26, 2021 - 5:03am

I am in quite a similar situation, except male, so I thought I'd share my experience.

To paint you a picture of who I am, I am 6'4", nordic, and have veiny 24 inch biceps. I love lifting weights, drinking beer, grilling, and getting into fights. I am hypermasculine and exude this sort of energy wherever I go.

I was drawn to Wallstreet by the promise of power and money (being so masculine, I love dominating my peers). However, recently I have come to the attention that maybe this career will require too much bitchwork. Although this has not affected me much emotionally (I don't have much emotion), It has filled me with immense uncontrollable rage. 

At this point, I am even considering some other career paths - a construction worker, a butcher, or perhaps a welder. I feel like this sort of physical labor would definitely play to my strengths (I am a strong male specimen). Nevertheless, I can't get over the fact that in doing so, I would no longer be able to be richer than everyone else from my college frat.

At this point, I am filled with immense rage at this situation I am in. Any suggestions on how to proceed?

  • Consultant in Consulting
Aug 26, 2021 - 6:13am

If you'd like to be fulfilled, have people you talk to say they are impressed, and not have to work hard, I would recommend the following:

  1. Build a network in the high finance / board/exec level sphere 
  2. Consider completing SA or other internships, while doing this ensure you focus on building out your network
  3. Once the above steps are followed, leverage your network to marry rich and use your spouses money to start a NFP organisation which you will be face of. Utilize said network, femininity, and "putting things together that look good" skills and traits to host social events that build your ego and keep you busy with the facade of raising money for some cause
Aug 26, 2021 - 7:07am

Just chill lol You're at a great school. That program is more applicable than just IB/PE/ whatever. Best piece of advice, slow your world down a bit. Put the phone down, explore more of yourself and your other interests then start picking up some books in that area and networking on LinkedIn. You'll be good.

Aug 26, 2021 - 8:46am

It sounds like you're going through a quarter life crisis and are struggling for direction. Just relax and pursue internships and see what you like and want to do more of and what you don't like and want to do less of, in terms of tasks, work environment, and industry.

You overstate the differences between men and women here, at least when thinking about what you should do for your own career. There are plenty of very motivated women succeeding in male dominated professions and what's in between your legs shouldn't really influence your career direction.

The incessant humble bragging about how you're hot is rather annoying.

"I would absolutely love to work in Private Equity. But is it worth it for someone like me?" ---->>>> If you're asking yourself this question then don't worry, because it means that PE is not for you and you won't get a job in that industry.

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Aug 26, 2021 - 4:21pm

Don't worry about it, you won't be getting in to any of these fields with such a fragile ego anyway. Why don't you try getting in to pottery?

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  • Intern in PE - LBOs
Aug 26, 2021 - 7:53pm

I went into the comments expecting some high quality trolling. I was not disappointed.

Aug 26, 2021 - 8:38pm

Finished up my MBA and currently in IB

General thoughts:

1) Think of the MBA as being the first step on a staircase. The next step, or job, is just one of many you will have in your career. At times you might take two steps up but then take a step back. That's life. Most people's career don't follow linear path and neither will yours. 

2)I don't believe in the idea that you need to pursue a career in consulting/banking or any "intense" role in order to switch into the industry you want to be in. You're better off taking a straight line, networking with people, and interning in the industry you're truly interested in. 

3)By the time you hit your 30s you kinda have to have stuff figured out, directionally at least. Your MBA is the last time in your career that you can switch functions, roles, etc. This is soo valuable. If you end up going into a field in which you know you will burn out...you won't have any gain/progression in your career and you're back to step 1. 

4)Your MBA is a two year job search. 

Aug 27, 2021 - 3:26am

I say you go girl! Go get that degree! An MBA can improve your professional marketability and boost the quality and quantity of career possibilities available to you. Full-time employment offers are made to over 98 percent of Wharton MBA graduates. An MBA also aids in the development of corporate leadership abilities and professional network.

Aug 27, 2021 - 6:41am

TBH I would focus on maintaining your looks and getting plastic surgery as you cross 30+. Women in this age bracket rapidly deteriorate while working in High Finance.

Your chances at PE are very low since you don't have pre mba experience. 

  • Associate 2 in PE - LBOs
Aug 27, 2021 - 12:17pm

Lately, I'm beginning to feel as if my ego has taken over

Last 5 years of my life in a nutshell, whole reason I went into PE. I could be doing something fun and have a life. Steer clear. 

As an alternative, I've considering working in a role for a few years, paying off student debt, and exiting into a role that is in a creative field (interior design, art, fashion) but still related to investments.

My .02: Give PE a shot. You never know if you don't try. And then you can always call the two years a wash, a way of paying off school, then do something else. And if you can look back and say "I did it! I tried it, I accomplished, and I didn't like it" then you will live with no regrets. 

Aug 30, 2021 - 5:13am

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